Are there DSCR options that use "value" not "purchase price"?

Are there DSCR options that use "value" not "purchase price"?

New to Real Estate · Amarillo · Member since 2024 · 6 posts · 0 votes

Hello,

I am looking for DSCR loans that will loan on the value instead of the purchase price on acquisition.

If this is not an option no worries. I just wanted to see if it existed to skip hard money.

Thank you,

Zeke

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Erik EstradaBusiness Member
Lender · Member since 2022 · 6k+ posts · 1k+ votes
8mo

I think the best way to structure these is to use a HELOC or Cash to purchase the property, then do a cash out refi 90 days afterwards.

There is not a way around this unfortunately 

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  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    8mo

    @Zeke Flores

    can you clarify what you're asking? if you're asking - are there DSCR lenders that will loan on APPRAISED VALUE as opposed to purchase price? yes, absolutely.

    not sure what you mean by "skipping hard money."

  • New to Real Estate · Amarillo · Member since 2024 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    8mo

    @Nicholas L.

    Yes, that is what I am looking for. 

    Right now the only thing DSCR lenders are offering me is LTV on purchase price not the appraised value, because I don't currently own the asset so they are loaning on the lesser of purchase price or value. They are saying once I hold the property for 30-90 days they will be able to loan to me on appraised value and not the purchase price.


    Hard money is the only thing I am finding that will loan to me based on appraised value. 

    • Dave CurrencePro Member
      Investor · New York City, NY · Member since 2015 · 51 posts · 22 votes
      8mo
      Quote from @Zeke Flores:

      @Nicholas L.

      Yes, that is what I am looking for. 

      Right now the only thing DSCR lenders are offering me is LTV on purchase price not the appraised value, because I don't currently own the asset so they are loaning on the lesser of purchase price or value. They are saying once I hold the property for 30-90 days they will be able to loan to me on appraised value and not the purchase price.


      Hard money is the only thing I am finding that will loan to me based on appraised value. 


       This is one of the primary reasons that "Hard Money" exists, and is useful. Private, or Hard Money (it means the same thing) can often lend using different (and often less stringent) metrics, so investors can get their deal done. You have to make sure there is still room there, but if the deal is strong, there should be money to be made. If not, and you cant find lenders willing to give you terms that enable you to make money...then the deal doesnt work. 

  • Lender · Charleston, SC · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8mo

    The vast majority of lenders are going to base the loan LTV and terms on the lower of appraisal price vs purchase price.

  • Lender · Grasonville, MD · Member since 2025 · 70 posts · 16 votes
    8mo

    Zeke - If you are looking for a DSCR loan, make sure to also ensure the DSCR ratio makes sense for you as an investor. I would recommend at least $400.00 in potential anticipated cashflow and not just loan terms.

  • Alex BekezaBusiness Member
    Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8mo

    @Zeke Flores Unfortunately, all DSCR lenders are beholden to the secondary market guidelines on this on a purchase, which would be to use the lower of the purchase price or appraised value when developing "LTV" for the loan. That being said, these value add deals where you recoup a lot of your funds will require that second refi loan. I've purchased a couple this way (basically BRRRRs with no reno) but it required me to close with either cash or private money and then refi.

  • Erik EstradaBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 6k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8mo

    I think the best way to structure these is to use a HELOC or Cash to purchase the property, then do a cash out refi 90 days afterwards.

    There is not a way around this unfortunately 

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  • Investor · Member since 2024 · 79 posts · 32 votes
    8mo

    I am also wondering why lenders don't do that what's the difference from a refinance that they relying only on apprasil 

    • Lender · Member since 2021 · 495 posts · 130 votes
      8mo
      Quote from @Lipa F.:

      I am also wondering why lenders don't do that what's the difference from a refinance that they relying only on apprasil 

      Most note buyers would not want the risk of a borrower having less money in the deal by using equity for a purchase. We could do this in the past when the property would appraise higher than purchase price (up to 90% of purchase) but, more times than not the appraisal came in right at the contract price, or close to it. Disputing the value with the appraiser when they already appraised in above contract price, or when it is above the agreed upon price, was always very tricky.
  • Stacy RaskinBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 510 votes
    8mo

    Generally lenders on a purchase will use the lesser of the purchase / contract price and the appraised value. It also has to be in ready to rent condition- the appraiser has to mark "as is" on the appraisal form and not "subject to" whatever repairs that need to be done or the repairs will have to be done before the loan will fund. A property that is using a DSCR loan doesn't have to be in perfect or recently rehabbed condition but can't have what the appraiser believes to be health and safety issues or deferred maintenance.

  • Investor · Member since 2024 · 79 posts · 32 votes
    8mo

    Question was if borrower find a deal below market value not because it's needs repairs

  • Stacy RaskinBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 510 votes
    8mo

    Depends on why below market value- is it in ready to rent condition? Either way on a purchase, the lower of the appraised value or purchase price will be used to structure the loan.

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2021 · 497 posts · 127 votes
    8mo

    With most DSCR programs, especially on acquisition, lenders will base the Loan-to-Value (LTV) on the lower of the purchase price or the appraised value. That means even if you agree to a higher purchase price, the lender can only lend up to a percentage (75–80%) of whatever the appraiser says it's worth.

  • Lender · Franklin, TN · Member since 2026 · 67 posts · 13 votes
    1w

    On a purchase, almost every DSCR desk is stuck on the lesser of contract price or appraised value — that's secondary-market math, not one lender being difficult. The usual way to capture equity above purchase is still cash/HELOC/hard money to close, then a short-seasoned DSCR cash-out once you own it (often in the ~75% LTV class, sometimes with documented rehab). If the only path that lends on ARV at day one is private money, price that bridge all-in (points, interest, exit) against waiting 30–90 days for the term-out. Skipping hard money only works if you bring the cash yourself.

  • Lender · Houston, TX · Member since 2026 · 33 posts · 9 votes
    1w

    It exists, just in two steps: at purchase, the loan sizes off the lower of price or appraised value; after the holding period (6–12 months with most lenders, some shorter), a refinance sizes off the appraised value. So the way to skip hard money is: buy on price, stabilize, refinance on value. On a specific property, the price plus your value estimate is enough to compare both routes side by side.

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