finding better opportunities in properties that need work or move-in-ready rentals?

finding better opportunities in properties that need work or move-in-ready rentals?

Frankie VozziBusiness Member
Member since 2025 · 384 posts · 92 votes

I've been curious about how investors are approaching acquisitions lately.

A property that needs $50K in renovations might offer a better purchase price and more upside, but it also comes with contractor headaches, holding costs, and the risk of going over budget.

On the other hand, a turnkey rental might cost more upfront, but you can potentially start collecting rent much sooner.

I think both strategies have their place, especially depending on how much time and cash an investor wants tied up in a deal.

For those actively buying right now, are you leaning more toward value-add properties or stabilized rentals?

And what's making one strategy more attractive than the other in your market?

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Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
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I used to BRRRR a lot, but the market has shifted and you can't get enough discount to make up for condition. I can get almost as much discount for just negotiating well, don't have to deal with a gut reno and can collect rent right away. Appreciation (in my market still the case, 6% YOY) takes care of the rest

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  • MD/DC · Member since 2024 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    With the exception of my current home that was a consumption item, done by a well known reputable builder I have always purchased properties that required some amount of work. It was a necessity when I was starting out and had little money and held up as I realized there should always be a value add for renovation. I get your point about reno time = losing rent but improving a property in a class A neighborhood should be a solid move especially when compared to an unknown entity’s version of a new build or fully renovated product.

    • Frankie VozziBusiness Member
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      Member since 2025 · 384 posts · 92 votes
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      Jules, that's a great point about buying in Class A neighborhoods. You're not just renovating to make a property look better, you're improving an asset in a location where the demand is already there. Curious, are you still actively acquiring value-add properties in the MD/DC area, or mostly managing the ones you've built up over the years?

  • Divin KanyamaBusiness Member
    Accountant · Seattle, WA · Member since 2025 · 502 posts · 211 votes
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    @Frankie Vozzi Both strategies can work, but the better choice usually comes down to whether the extra return truly compensates for the extra risk and effort. A value-add property may create equity and stronger long-term cash flow, but the renovation budget is only part of the cost. Financing, permits, vacancy, contractor delays, change orders, and the investor’s own time all need to be included. If the projected upside disappears after a realistic contingency and a longer timeline, the discount may not be as attractive as it looks.

    Stabilized rentals can make more sense when financing and carrying costs are high, reliable contractors are difficult to find, or the investor values immediate income and predictability. The tradeoff is paying more upfront and potentially accepting a lower initial return. Rather than choosing one category across the board, it may be better to set a required premium for taking on renovation risk. If a value-add deal does not offer meaningfully better returns after all costs and contingencies, the stabilized property may be the stronger investment. The most attractive strategy is often the one that matches the investor’s available cash, team, time, and ability to absorb surprises—not simply the one with the highest projected upside.

    • Frankie VozziBusiness Member
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      Member since 2025 · 384 posts · 92 votes
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      Divin, I really like how you framed that. The renovation discount doesn't mean much if the contingency, carrying costs, and delays end up eating the upside. I think investors sometimes focus so much on the potential equity that they underestimate how much liquidity they'll need along the way. Do you see newer investors making that mistake more often than experienced ones?

  • Ashish AcharyaBusiness Member
    CPA, CFP®, PFS · FL · Member since 2017 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    Frankie, I think both strategies can work, but I’d look at more than just the purchase price and projected rent. For a property needing $50K of work, I’d include the true cost of the renovation, financing, holding period, carrying costs, and a realistic contingency before comparing it with a turnkey property.

    I’d also add the after-tax return to the comparison. Renovation costs don't all get treated the same way for tax purposes, so depending on the property and the work being done, depreciation and potentially cost segregation can change the economics. The other thing I’d look at is how long the investor expects their capital to be tied up. A value-add deal that produces a higher return but keeps capital locked up for 12 months may not be better than a stabilized property that starts producing cash immediately.

    For me, the better strategy is the one that gives the investor the best combination of return, risk, time, and usable cash flow, rather than simply the highest projected upside.

    Feel free to DM me, I’d be happy to send over a few resources that might be helpful.

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    • Frankie VozziBusiness Member
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      Member since 2025 · 384 posts · 92 votes
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      Ashish, great point about the after-tax return. That's something that doesn't always get enough attention when investors compare two properties. And I agree about the time capital stays tied up. A deal can look great on paper but limit your ability to pursue the next opportunity. I'd actually be interested in those resources you mentioned, especially around the tax side of value-add investing.

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6d

    I used to BRRRR a lot, but the market has shifted and you can't get enough discount to make up for condition. I can get almost as much discount for just negotiating well, don't have to deal with a gut reno and can collect rent right away. Appreciation (in my market still the case, 6% YOY) takes care of the rest

    • Frankie VozziBusiness Member
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      Member since 2025 · 384 posts · 92 votes
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      Marcus, that's an interesting shift, especially coming from someone who's done a lot of BRRRRs. If you can negotiate a similar discount without taking on a major renovation, that changes the whole equation. Are you mostly buying stabilized rentals now, or still open to lighter value-add deals when the numbers make sense?

  • James JonesPro Member
    Investor · Collierville, TN 38017 · Member since 2017 · 815 posts · 599 votes
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    Value-add, and it is not close for me. A move-in-ready rental in Memphis usually means I am paying for the other guy's rehab and his profit, and at that price the rent rarely clears the 1% rule. I buy BRRRR single-family under $100K that needs work, because the work is where my equity is made: finished ARV $180K to $265K, and a DSCR refinance at 70 to 80% LTV that gives me my capital back. The conversion is the lever — 2/1 to 3/1, 3/1 to 4/2, carport or garage into a master bedroom and bath, adding 400 to 650 square feet. A 3BR+ Section 8 house here rents $1,395 to $1,950. Turnkey rents on day one, but value-add pays me twice: rent and refinance.

    • Frankie VozziBusiness Member
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      Member since 2025 · 384 posts · 92 votes
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      James, that's a great breakdown of why value-add still works for you in Memphis. The conversions are especially interesting because you're not just improving the condition, you're changing the property's rental potential altogether. That rent and refinance combination makes a lot of sense when the numbers support it. Curious, are you finding more opportunities through bedroom conversions or actual square footage additions lately?

  • Realtor · New York, NY · Member since 2019 · 53 posts · 15 votes
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    Frankie — in NY right now, my answer is: value-add only if you actually control the rehab, turnkey if you do not.

    A $50K renovation on paper is rarely $50K. On Long Island and in the boroughs I routinely see that become $65K-$75K once you add permits, a contractor delay, and 2-3 extra months of taxes, insurance and interest while nobody is paying rent. If you do not have a crew you trust and you cannot be on site, that discount gets eaten fast.

    Where value-add still wins for me: cosmetic to medium work — kitchens, baths, flooring, paint — on a house that is structurally sound, with the big items (roof, boiler, electric, sewer) already verified, not assumed. I underwrite it with a 20% contingency and I price my offer as if the rehab will take 60 days longer than quoted. If it still works on those numbers, it is a real deal.

    Turnkey is not lazy, it is just a different trade. You pay a premium, but rent starts in week one and there is no draw, no contractor chasing, and no surprise behind a wall. For someone with a full-time job or buying their first 1-2 doors, that certainty is often worth more than the forced equity they think they are getting.

    Rule I give buyers: do not buy the rehab discount unless you can name the contractor, the timeline, and your walk-away number before you sign.

    • Frankie VozziBusiness Member
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      Member since 2025 · 384 posts · 92 votes
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      Aaron, I really like that rule about knowing your contractor, timeline, and walk-away number before signing. Especially in NY, where a couple of extra months can make a big difference in carrying costs. I also agree that cosmetic and medium rehabs can be a sweet spot when the major systems are already in good shape. Are most of your investor clients still looking for value-add opportunities, or are you seeing more demand for turnkey properties lately?

  • Matthew MorrowBusiness Member
    Investor · PA - NY - NJ · Member since 2019 · 674 posts · 235 votes
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    @Frankie Vozzi Hey Frankie, me again! We lean value-add, but the rehab itself isn't the hard part. Managing the contractors and making sure the work gets done right is. A $50K rehab with a crew you trust can be a great deal. The same rehab with a crew you don't know can turn into $70K and three extra months. If you're newer, a lighter cosmetic deal is a good way to build that team first.

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    • Frankie VozziBusiness Member
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      Matthew, good to see you again! You're right, having the right crew can make or break the whole deal. And I like your point about starting with cosmetic projects before taking on bigger renovations. It's a much easier way to learn who you can actually count on. Appreciate you sharing that.

  • Bradley BuxtonBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · NV · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 717 votes
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    @Frankie Vozzi

    Like many things in real estate investing, it depends.

    For my clients, I usually try to find a little of both. Can they rent the property right away, but is there also a way to add value in the future? Maybe it’s a 3-bed, 1-bath with a large laundry room where a second bathroom could eventually be added.

    A lot also depends on how much capital the buyer has. If most of their available cash is going toward the down payment and acquisition costs, a more turnkey property probably makes more sense. You don’t want to buy a project and then have no money left to do the project.

    Experience matters too. For first-time investors, I generally lean toward turnkey properties or very light projects. There's already enough to learn with your first rental without adding a major renovation into the mix. It will also be based on the strategy STR vs LTR. Most STRs will need some sort of work right away to make them nicer than the competition.

    There’s also value in new construction. It’s done, it usually comes with a warranty, and you can often push rents higher because tenants are willing to pay more for something new.

    For my clients, the goal is finding the right balance between income today and opportunity to add value tomorrow.

    • Frankie VozziBusiness Member
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      Member since 2025 · 384 posts · 92 votes
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      Bradley, I like that approach of finding something that can generate income now but still has room for improvements down the road. It gives investors some flexibility without taking on a major renovation right away. Your point about keeping enough cash available after closing is important too. Are most of your investor clients in Nevada looking at long-term rentals or STRs these days?

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