Figuring out max purchase price from mo rents.

Figuring out max purchase price from mo rents.

Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 619 posts · 75 votes

I am looking at a 3 unit with mo gross rents of 1100. The price is too high, but how do I figure out what my max offer is based on the rents?

i know ive seen a "rule of thumb formula" bounced around here somewhere.

thanks

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Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
17y

OK, I've uploaded a more complex analysis sheet to google docs:

Hard money then refi evaluator

In order to see the forumlas you will need to create a google docs account. Then, open this document. Do a "File -> Create a Copy" to make a copy into your own account. Now, you should be able to double click any of the cells in the outputs area and see the formula.

No guarantees at all. Its completely wrong and produces bogus results. If you lose a ton of money its not my fault.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    17y

    Just use my Simple Property Analysis Google docs spreadsheet. Either save it (File -> Export -> .xls) to save it as an Excel sheet, or create a google docs account and make a copy (File -> Create a copy...).

  • Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 619 posts · 75 votes
    17y

    cool tool
    thanks!

    im assuming it works the same for sfr?
    just put one unit?

    edit-
    Jon not being critical but the closing cost % does not affect the max purchase price

    Also, when a building is rented way below market value do you put the market rents or current rents?

    also when i save to computer it does not work properly. It only works properly in google docs.

    Thanks so much for sharing that with everyone !!!

  • Real Estate Investor · hull, MA · Member since 2008 · 11 posts · 4 votes
    17y

    Here is what you do. You can use cap rates on single family homes and up. here is a simple analysis. Let's assume you have a SFH which will rent in your area for $1500. You multiply x 12=$18,000 Gross Income. You assume 35% expenses. Leaving you with a NOI (net operating income of $11,700. You now divide the NOI by the sale price let say is $125,000. You get a cap rate of .09. We are looking for cap rates of 10 and higher. You especially use this when no comps are readily available within normal parameters. You are buying based on an income approach as opposed to comps which are more for retail buyers. As investors we buy at wholesale or below. This formula will never let you down for quick analysis. 10 or over deserves a serious look. Below 10 pass and move on.

  • Murray Hill, NJ · Member since 2008 · 204 posts · 15 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by Herb Daly Jr:
    You assume 35% expenses.

    Why??? Life must be good in MA!

  • Real Estate Investor · OH · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    It's very easy.

    Gross rents: $1,100
    Operating expenses: $550 (50% Rule)
    NOI: $550

    Less $300 Cash Flow ($100 per unit per month) = $250, which is the maximum payment you can make if the property doesn't need any repairs.

    Putting that in a mortgage calculator along with the terms (30 yr, 7%) gives you the maximum purchase price of $37,576.

    Good Luck,

    Mike

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    17y

    Yes, that spreadsheet is just a very simple estimate. I have a more complex one that includes the closing costs and money costs. I'll try to get that up on google docs soon.

    I don't have Excel, so can't test with that. I use Open Office. What error are you seeing?

  • Real Estate Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2009 · 57 posts · 5 votes
    17y

    It worked for me; I was able to successfully download & save Jon's simple analysis tool by exporting it to Excel. - Brandon

  • Real Estate Attorney · Roseville, CA · Member since 2009 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    17y

    Why not take gross rents and multiply by 50?

    $1,100 x 50=$55,000

    2% of $55,000 is $1,100, and you can quickly see if you are in the ball park with the purchase price.

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    17y

    That's the "2% rule". That only works for a narrow range of rents, about $500/unit, depending on the exact terms. At lower rents, you need to be higher than 2%. With higher rents, like $1100, you can be lower than 2% and still account for all your expenses and make the $100/door/month.

  • Developer · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2009 · 77 posts · 8 votes
    17y

    Hey Jon,

    Did you ever get the "advanced" spreadsheet up and running yet? I'd be grateful to have that handy. I mostly use my HP12C but it's always nice to check my figures against themselves.

  • Murray Hill, NJ · Member since 2008 · 204 posts · 15 votes
    17y

    I'm developing a program that might be useful to you. It's not entirely completed yet, but you can download a pre-release from the second URL in my signature.

    I'm also looking for input regarding additional features. Feel free to PM me.

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    17y

    OK, I've uploaded a more complex analysis sheet to google docs:

    Hard money then refi evaluator

    In order to see the forumlas you will need to create a google docs account. Then, open this document. Do a "File -> Create a Copy" to make a copy into your own account. Now, you should be able to double click any of the cells in the outputs area and see the formula.

    No guarantees at all. Its completely wrong and produces bogus results. If you lose a ton of money its not my fault.

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