Staring out in buy and hold with low capital *Question*

Staring out in buy and hold with low capital *Question*

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Hello Everybody,

I am a newbie in real estate investing and I have a question. 

I want to start investing in buy and hold properties. 

I current live in CT and I work as a bartender and as a real estate agent. So far I've saved up around $20,000 and I am trying to get in a 3-4 for family unit in a decent area of Hartford county. On average those types of properties range from $250000-$300000 for light fix condition and around $190000-220000 for mid to heavy rehab. I currently own a renovated townhouse. I purchased for $130000 and I have $10000 equity in it. Right now realistically my property would appraise for $170000 so if I do a refi I might be able to pull some money out of it. 

Due to the fact that I own a house I wouldn't be able to qualify for an FHA but a few months back our office in house loan officer informed me that there is a Fannie Mae program that allows buyers who own 1 other property to purchase a multi family house with 5% down as long as it is owner occupied. There are some other limitations and criteria but I am positive I'll qualify.

I want to get a property that needs a solid amount of work for below market prices. All my family are tradesmen so I can rehab the house for next to nothing cost. 

My question is :

Do I save more money and try to buy a cash property or do I take advantage of the Fannie Mae program and get a multifamily for a low down payment? 

The end goal is to BRRRR the property and I know that purchasing cash first and refinancing after the repairs is the way to go but I am thinking going at 5% down I wouldn't be leaving a tremendous amount of money in the deal. Ideally depending on the appreciation and the purchase price I'd refinance a couple of years down the road.

Thank you so much for your time ! 

Any advice or opinions are highly appreciated.

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Bruce WoodruffPro Member
Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
4y
Originally posted by @Mario Nakuci:

All my family are tradesmen so I can rehab the house for next to nothing cost. 

You asked for opinions so here is mine: That statement above will get you into big trouble. Even as GC doing my own work, it still cost a fortune...

Materials will still cost what they cost, there are few discounts for tradesmen any more. And your family will not work for free, will they? So I would get this bid out by local contractors and then IF your family have decent skills, figure you can knock off 20%. That will get you a reasonable figure. Then, if you can save even more it will be money to use for other issues you didn't see coming.......

Working with family is generally a recipe for disaster. It makes me cringe to even hear you say that..... :-)

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  • Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2021 · 504 posts · 282 votes
    4y

    In my very humble opinion, given your families expertise as tradesmen, taking advantage of historically low conforming rates, with limited down, on a heavy rehab project, may make a lot of sense. By forcing the appreciation with the value-add component, you aren't paying for someone else to have done the work. 

    Now that is all heavily caveated with knowing the numbers. They have to make sense. NOI, cash flow, total return, and growth projections. How do they cash flow with the rehab completed?

    You are focused/thinking about all the right things. Good luck in whatever you decide. 

  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2021 · 34 posts · 18 votes
    4y

    Hey Mario, sounds like you've done a great job renovating your current townhouse while saving up and working hard!

    Most hard money lenders I've looked at for BRRRR deals like to see at least six months of interest payments in cash reserves after points and other closing costs used for the hard money loan. Another big consideration when doing BRRRR is the chance of not being able to refinance the property after its been rehabbed and rented due to things like too large of a debt-to-income ratio, so be careful of that when looking into refinancing your current townhouse as that would likely increase your debt-to-income ratio.

    Some of the best BRRRR deals actually don't require a down payment at all, but you would still need to cover points and other closing costs on the up-front loan and have cash reserves to show the lender you can have some safety in-case things go wrong like underestimated rehab budget or holding costs.

    You're doing all the right things, keep up the solid work and good luck!

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    4y
    Originally posted by @Mario Nakuci:

    All my family are tradesmen so I can rehab the house for next to nothing cost. 

    You asked for opinions so here is mine: That statement above will get you into big trouble. Even as GC doing my own work, it still cost a fortune...

    Materials will still cost what they cost, there are few discounts for tradesmen any more. And your family will not work for free, will they? So I would get this bid out by local contractors and then IF your family have decent skills, figure you can knock off 20%. That will get you a reasonable figure. Then, if you can save even more it will be money to use for other issues you didn't see coming.......

    Working with family is generally a recipe for disaster. It makes me cringe to even hear you say that..... :-)

  • William CollinsPro Member
    Investor · Rocky Hill, CT · Member since 2013 · 373 posts · 299 votes
    4y

    @Mario Nakuci let's play a different game. What about you "relocating" to a new neighborhood- which will allow you to use an FHA to buy your quadruplex. Makes it a hell of a lot easier to work on if you are in one unit. Rent out the townhouse for a year, but first, get a HELOC on it (so you can pull cash to help rehab the new property). So I imagine renting your townhome should be easy. Do not trigger mortgage fraud, live in a unit for at least one year (or what your mortgage states). This will let you get the best rate on the buy, maybe doing a financed rehab on the property.

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