Plans for getting in to buy and hold

Plans for getting in to buy and hold

Monroeville, PA · Member since 2014 · 23 posts · 2 votes

So, my friend and I have been researching real estate investing on and off over the past six months. We both have full time jobs in the pittsburgh area and are in our mid twenties. We like the idea of investing in real estate to generate extra cash flow. We are thinking we want to start with a buy and hold property that does not need much in the way of repairs. We don't know anything about fixing up properties and don't have the time. We do not have enough savings at this point to get a loan for 20% down if we were to start an llc. And we are finding that any other loan option really doesn't make sense for two people. As we cannot get a loan together and we cannot give money to one person to buy the property. I think there are laws against "gifting" money to someone. So we are trying to come up with some alternative plans. The first of which is a longer term approach. In this case we would buy separate duplexes with individual loans. Which we could afford individually with conventional loans for 5-10% down. Then save the money from the rent to eventually start an llc together and put 20% down on a third property. Using our first duplexes to back the loan for the llc. This would set us up going forward as a business with three properties between us. I think it would take less than two years to save up. What do people think of this plan?

The second idea is to really go after seller financing. We could potentially find a seller that would give a loan to both of us that we could come together to make the down payment on. In this way we could stay away from some bank rules on loans and have more freedom to potentially make a lower down payment and have the loan as partners. Does anyone have comments on this plan? We are trying to think of others, any recommendations are welcome. Thank you.

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Jerry W.Pro Member
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Investor · Thermopolis, WY · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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@Matt Pitschman , you have several assumptions that are wrong but let me try to help explain some stuff. You are apparently buying a duplex using a FMHA or similar loan that takes a small down payment. You and your friend will each do this, then join forces later. First you can gift small amounts without tax liability, I suggest not more than $12K per person to avoid filing a gift tax. If you can get owner financing why not start an LLC now? Keep in mind if you change ownership of property in a year or 2 it might have tax implications. Do not ever do a partnership. Very bad idea. They usually have unlimited personal liability and partners are liable on a debt even if the other partner signed and they did not. Sorry am getting sleepy and this is best I could do ATM.

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  • Investor · Los Osos, CA · Member since 2013 · 78 posts · 25 votes
    12y

    Open to the idea of purchasing the house as two individuals and not an LLC? I'm sure you could make that happen, I purchased a home once with a person I was not married or related to... It was just titled and mortgaged to both of us. I'm not a lawyer and can't speak to the legalities surrounding that, but I would think it is another option if you trust the person you are partnering with and have some background agreements in writing...

  • Jerry W.Pro Member
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    Investor · Thermopolis, WY · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y

    @Matt Pitschman , you have several assumptions that are wrong but let me try to help explain some stuff. You are apparently buying a duplex using a FMHA or similar loan that takes a small down payment. You and your friend will each do this, then join forces later. First you can gift small amounts without tax liability, I suggest not more than $12K per person to avoid filing a gift tax. If you can get owner financing why not start an LLC now? Keep in mind if you change ownership of property in a year or 2 it might have tax implications. Do not ever do a partnership. Very bad idea. They usually have unlimited personal liability and partners are liable on a debt even if the other partner signed and they did not. Sorry am getting sleepy and this is best I could do ATM.

  • Brian BurkePro Member
    Investor · Santa Rosa, CA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    12y

    The best partnerships are ones where each partner has something to contribute to the partnership that other partners cannot. For example, one partner has cash, another has construction experience, and the third partner has a real estate background.

    It sounds like you both possess similar skills, time constraints, and lack of experience. What does your friend bring to the table that you don't, and vice-versa?

    If the answer to that question is "nothing" or isn't something significant, I'd suggest that each of you invest in your own (smaller) properties individually and work together to provide moral support for one another and strategic brainstorming sessions. By going through the journey "together but separately" you get the benefits of having a partner without the pitfalls.

  • Monroeville, PA · Member since 2014 · 23 posts · 2 votes
    12y

    Pertaining to the three options we have been discussing...

    1. Buying a property outside of an llc with two people in the title and mortgage. Does anyone else have experience with this? We weren't planning on having a partnership in a legal sense, only having a mortgage together and working together. It seems simple, do people do this?

    2. Buying separate properties then forming an llc. We wouldn't really need to change ownership of the properties, we could hold them individually and start the llc with the third property.

    3. Using seller financing. We would like to use seller financing to buy talk property. It just seems like it wi be harder to find a seller that will do it, with the property type we are looking for. We could then start the llc right away. Are there rules for seller financing? As far as two people being on a loan etc.

    Our eventual goal is to own a company that rents out units. Starting and building that company is where we are focusing our planning now.

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