Land Flipping 101 Scammer Kris Thomas Land Flipping 101
Real Estate Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2017 · 48 posts · 14 votes
Land Flipping 101 Scammer Kris Thomas Land Flipping 101
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Stuart UdisPro Member
Attorney · Philadelphia · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes@Kate Brown I am sorry to hear you had a negative experience. Why did you not conduct some diligence on their track record and experience before signing up? Something that stands out to me is how a land flipping course can be taught in the first place. Land is extremely localized with respect to zoning & land use. There is no way someone can competently offer a course on this subject that can be helpful for people in various locations across the country.
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- 2yStuart UdisPro MemberAttorney · Philadelphia · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
@Kate Brown I am sorry to hear you had a negative experience. Why did you not conduct some diligence on their track record and experience before signing up? Something that stands out to me is how a land flipping course can be taught in the first place. Land is extremely localized with respect to zoning & land use. There is no way someone can competently offer a course on this subject that can be helpful for people in various locations across the country.
- Real Estate Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2017 · 48 posts · 14 votes2y
@Stuart Udis I did and there was nothing at the time to stand out too much. Hindsight is 20/20. Red flags 🚩 I can see now were not apparent then.
- Real Estate Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2017 · 48 posts · 14 votes2y
@Stuart Udis also having no experience in land (which is the case for many and why they join the course) you don’t realize how niche it is to locality until you are running into issues.
- Member since 2024 · 6 posts · 0 votes2y
Ms. Brown also fails to disclose here that she had twelve (12) deals under contract during the Agreement totaling over $600K in potential profit and the smear campaign began when her coaching agreement was due to expire. Now she is trying to get me to pay her to take down the posts.
It should also be noted that on the Facebook page, she is apparently still flipping properties under "USA Land." She’s made all these accusations, which I don’t deem meritorious and I filed a response which anyone can access here or read below:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JLyaqsu_mgRB87Dxr7AX...
I don’t know what else to say. Here are all the things in the contract and here are all the things we did for her:
What Six Figure Land Flipper Agreed To Perform Under The Agreement, And
Six Figure Land Flipper Performance Of Its Obligations Under That Contract.
- Coaching Services. The Coach agrees to perform and provide the following services in accordance with the terms and conditions set forth in this agreement:
• Membership Portal with Everything You Need From Start to Finish
• Unlimited Transactional Funding Available
• First 8,000 Mailers Paid (Print & Postage)
• Daily Live Office Hours
• Unlimited Deal Reviews
• Weekly Live Deal Reviews
• Recruited & Fully Trained Sales Team (First 90 Days Free)
• Discounted Sales Team After 90 Days
• Recruited & Fully Trained Operations Team Ready to Go
• Discounted Operations Team
• Professional Buying & Selling Websites + Monthly Hosting
• Professional Buying & Selling Logos Created
• Trello Advanced Templates & Training
• DataTree Research Subscription
• Access to Private Facebook Group
Six Figure Land Flipper performed each and everyone of the required services. Specifically:
I. Ms. Brown was supplied with the membership portal with access to the full suite of
products and services the agreement provides for. Thus, the first obligation was met
under the Agreement. Ms., Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that the portal was not provided. Nor can she.
2. The Coach did provide access to unlimited transactional funding for any deal. Thus,
the second obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that funding was unavailable. Nor can she.
3. The Coach provided the first 8,000 mailers. Thus, the third obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms., Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that the first 8,000 mailers was not provided. Nor can she.
4. The Coach provided daily live office hours. The Coach has office hours between 1-2pm ET every day. Thus, the fourth obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint complains of weekend issues and holiday issues. This is an unreasonable complaint regarding businesses. Ms. Brown did not give more than 24 hours to respond to a communication that was sent on the Sunday evening of the Thanksgiving holiday before she started her smear campaign the next morning. Other than the discreet weekend and holiday issues, she acknowledges that daily office hours were kept.
5. The Coach did provide unlimited deal reviews. Thus, the fifth obligation was met under the Agreement. In fact. Ms. Brown submitted over 20 reviews. In addition, Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that the Coach limited deal reviews. Nor can she.
6. The Coach provided weekly live deal reviews. Thus, the sixth obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that the Coach limited deal reviews. In fact, she specifically acknowledges it.
7. Recruited and fully trained Sales Team (First 90 days) was provided. Thus, the sixth
obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that this was provided to her. What it states is she was unhappy with the sales team, not that it did not exist.
8. Discounted Sales Team after 90 days. The Coach had and still has the sales team available at a discounted rate after the first 90 days. Except for a two-week period, Ms. Brown failed to avail herself of the service electing, instead to forego payment for the services provided.
Therefore, the role and labor of any sales team became a commitment of Ms. Brown and not an "outsourced" service. Ms. Brown's assumption of this role is one of the root causes of her statement that it "could not be done in a few hours per week". Had she availed herself of these services, the time demands for the program would have greatly diminished for her.
The sole monetary issue in this is a charge for skip traces. It is a small issue in context that certainly does not rise to the program being a "scam".
9. Recruited And Fully Trained Operations Team Ready To Go. The Coach had and still
has the Fully Trained Operations Team Ready to Go. This service is an additional cost as referenced in the following Service "Discounted Operations Team". Ms. Brown failed to avail herself of the service electing, instead, to forego payment for the services provided. Therefore, the role and labor of any Operations Team became a commitment of Ms. Brown and not an "outsourced" service. Ms. Brown's assumption of this role is one of the root causes of her statement that it "could not be done in a few hours per week".
1O. Discounted Operations Team. The Coach had and still has the Fully Trained Operations Team Ready to Go. This service is an additional cost as referenced in the following Service "Discounted Operations Team". Ms. Brown failed to avail herself of the service electing, instead, to forego payment for the services provided. Therefore, the role and labor of any Operations Team became a commitment of Ms. Brown and not an "outsourced" service. Ms. Brown's assumption of this role is one of the root causes of her statement that it "could not be done in a few hours per week".
11. Professional Buying & Selling Web sites + Monthly Hosting was provided under the
Agreement and Ms. Brown had edit power over the site at the time of its creation. Thus, the eleventh obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that this was provided to her. Nor can she. What her issue was, is that she was not happy with the website. This is different from not providing the website.
12. Professional Buying & SeIling Logos Created was provided under the Agreement. Thus, the twelfth obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that this was provided to her. Nor can she.
13. Trello Advanced Templates & Training was provided under the Agreement. Thus, the thirteenth obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her allegations, did not like the product, but actually admits that it exists and was provided.
14. DataTree Research Subscription was provided under the Agreement. Thus, the
fourteenth obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that this was provided to her. Nor can she.
15. Access to Private Facebook Group was provided under the Agreement. Thus, the
fourteenth obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that this was provided to her. Nor can she. Access for Ms. Brown was terminated upon her initiation of the smear campaign and lodging her accusations that the system and its participants are a "scam". Based upon her actions she will not be granted any additional access to the group.
Thus, under the Agreement, the Coach has fully performed each and every one of the services provided.
- 2yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Quote from @Kris Thomas:
Ms. Brown also fails to disclose here that she had twelve (12) deals under contract during the Agreement totaling over $600K in potential profit and the smear campaign began when her coaching agreement was due to expire. Now she is trying to get me to pay her to take down the posts.
It should also be noted that on the Facebook page, she is apparently still flipping properties under "USA Land." She’s made all these accusations, which I don’t deem meritorious and I filed a response which anyone can access here or read below:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JLyaqsu_mgRB87Dxr7AX...
I don’t know what else to say. Here are all the things in the contract and here are all the things we did for her:
What Six Figure Land Flipper Agreed To Perform Under The Agreement, And
Six Figure Land Flipper Performance Of Its Obligations Under That Contract.
- Coaching Services. The Coach agrees to perform and provide the following services in accordance with the terms and conditions set forth in this agreement:
• Membership Portal with Everything You Need From Start to Finish
• Unlimited Transactional Funding Available
• First 8,000 Mailers Paid (Print & Postage)
• Daily Live Office Hours
• Unlimited Deal Reviews
• Weekly Live Deal Reviews
• Recruited & Fully Trained Sales Team (First 90 Days Free)
• Discounted Sales Team After 90 Days
• Recruited & Fully Trained Operations Team Ready to Go
• Discounted Operations Team
• Professional Buying & Selling Websites + Monthly Hosting
• Professional Buying & Selling Logos Created
• Trello Advanced Templates & Training
• DataTree Research Subscription
• Access to Private Facebook Group
Six Figure Land Flipper performed each and everyone of the required services. Specifically:
I. Ms. Brown was supplied with the membership portal with access to the full suite of
products and services the agreement provides for. Thus, the first obligation was met
under the Agreement. Ms., Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that the portal was not provided. Nor can she.
2. The Coach did provide access to unlimited transactional funding for any deal. Thus,
the second obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that funding was unavailable. Nor can she.
3. The Coach provided the first 8,000 mailers. Thus, the third obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms., Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that the first 8,000 mailers was not provided. Nor can she.
4. The Coach provided daily live office hours. The Coach has office hours between 1-2pm ET every day. Thus, the fourth obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint complains of weekend issues and holiday issues. This is an unreasonable complaint regarding businesses. Ms. Brown did not give more than 24 hours to respond to a communication that was sent on the Sunday evening of the Thanksgiving holiday before she started her smear campaign the next morning. Other than the discreet weekend and holiday issues, she acknowledges that daily office hours were kept.
5. The Coach did provide unlimited deal reviews. Thus, the fifth obligation was met under the Agreement. In fact. Ms. Brown submitted over 20 reviews. In addition, Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that the Coach limited deal reviews. Nor can she.
6. The Coach provided weekly live deal reviews. Thus, the sixth obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that the Coach limited deal reviews. In fact, she specifically acknowledges it.
7. Recruited and fully trained Sales Team (First 90 days) was provided. Thus, the sixth
obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that this was provided to her. What it states is she was unhappy with the sales team, not that it did not exist.
8. Discounted Sales Team after 90 days. The Coach had and still has the sales team available at a discounted rate after the first 90 days. Except for a two-week period, Ms. Brown failed to avail herself of the service electing, instead to forego payment for the services provided.
Therefore, the role and labor of any sales team became a commitment of Ms. Brown and not an "outsourced" service. Ms. Brown's assumption of this role is one of the root causes of her statement that it "could not be done in a few hours per week". Had she availed herself of these services, the time demands for the program would have greatly diminished for her.
The sole monetary issue in this is a charge for skip traces. It is a small issue in context that certainly does not rise to the program being a "scam".
9. Recruited And Fully Trained Operations Team Ready To Go. The Coach had and still
has the Fully Trained Operations Team Ready to Go. This service is an additional cost as referenced in the following Service "Discounted Operations Team". Ms. Brown failed to avail herself of the service electing, instead, to forego payment for the services provided. Therefore, the role and labor of any Operations Team became a commitment of Ms. Brown and not an "outsourced" service. Ms. Brown's assumption of this role is one of the root causes of her statement that it "could not be done in a few hours per week".
1O. Discounted Operations Team. The Coach had and still has the Fully Trained Operations Team Ready to Go. This service is an additional cost as referenced in the following Service "Discounted Operations Team". Ms. Brown failed to avail herself of the service electing, instead, to forego payment for the services provided. Therefore, the role and labor of any Operations Team became a commitment of Ms. Brown and not an "outsourced" service. Ms. Brown's assumption of this role is one of the root causes of her statement that it "could not be done in a few hours per week".
11. Professional Buying & Selling Web sites + Monthly Hosting was provided under the
Agreement and Ms. Brown had edit power over the site at the time of its creation. Thus, the eleventh obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that this was provided to her. Nor can she. What her issue was, is that she was not happy with the website. This is different from not providing the website.
12. Professional Buying & SeIling Logos Created was provided under the Agreement. Thus, the twelfth obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that this was provided to her. Nor can she.
13. Trello Advanced Templates & Training was provided under the Agreement. Thus, the thirteenth obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her allegations, did not like the product, but actually admits that it exists and was provided.
14. DataTree Research Subscription was provided under the Agreement. Thus, the
fourteenth obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that this was provided to her. Nor can she.
15. Access to Private Facebook Group was provided under the Agreement. Thus, the
fourteenth obligation was met under the Agreement. Ms. Brown in her complaint does not identify any allegation that refutes that this was provided to her. Nor can she. Access for Ms. Brown was terminated upon her initiation of the smear campaign and lodging her accusations that the system and its participants are a "scam". Based upon her actions she will not be granted any additional access to the group.
Thus, under the Agreement, the Coach has fully performed each and every one of the services provided.
Kris cutting and pasting the same reply is not really going to get you anywhere.. No one makes 600k until the deals are closed everyone has a lot of PO though :) - Real Estate Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2017 · 48 posts · 14 votes2y
@Kris Thomas I turned you down when the caveat of your bribe was for me to take down the truth in your email December 4. I turned your California attorney who called the threaten me and laughed at me said I'm not getting any money back if I don't take down my posts. As recently as less than 2 weeks ago. I also turned down your bribe from your latest attorney. You breached our contract and kicked me out of the course - you need to refund me. I've only posted truthful comments supported by evidence. The refund has no bearing on my truthful comments. If you were transparent and didn't do these things - this situation wouldn't even have happened. Please refund me for the course that you kicked me out of for asking pointed, direct questions (that I still haven't had answered by the way) regarding proof you made $925k in 2022, proof you did business in 15 states (I can only count 5), provide me a W-9 for land flipping 101, provide me a W-9 for Palette nation ( the other scam you're running charging people $200 a week and not even delivering services for phone coverage - never had any of my calls answered or returned during those 2 weeks I paid). $875 a month and you're having VA's you pay $3 an hour in the Philippines who have a huge language barrier RETURN VOICEMAILS probably less than 2 hours a week and you're charging base fees of $200/week.
- 2yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Quote from @Kate Brown:
@Kris Thomas I turned you down when the caveat of your bribe was for me to take down the truth in your email December 4. I turned your California attorney who called the threaten me and laughed at me said I'm not getting any money back if I don't take down my posts. As recently as less than 2 weeks ago. I also turned down your bribe from your latest attorney. You breached our contract and kicked me out of the course - you need to refund me. I've only posted truthful comments supported by evidence. The refund has no bearing on my truthful comments. If you were transparent and didn't do these things - this situation wouldn't even have happened. Please refund me for the course that you kicked me out of for asking pointed, direct questions (that I still haven't had answered by the way) regarding proof you made $925k in 2022, proof you did business in 15 states (I can only count 5), provide me a W-9 for land flipping 101, provide me a W-9 for Palette nation ( the other scam you're running charging people $200 a week and not even delivering services for phone coverage - never had any of my calls answered or returned during those 2 weeks I paid). $875 a month and you're having VA's you pay $3 an hour in the Philippines who have a huge language barrier RETURN VOICEMAILS probably less than 2 hours a week and you're charging base fees of $200/week.
well you know BP being the monster it is these threads will go to the top of google when people search for background on Kris.. so yes she is going to come out guns blazing.
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