How to Get Money For Your First Deal

How to Get Money For Your First Deal

Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes

As an experienced real estate investor and now also a private lender, I often get asked the question: "If I am a newbie and lenders don't want to lend to newbies, how can I get money for my first deal?"

Looking back over my 10 years of experience and knowing what I know now, here's how I would get money for my first deal.

1) I would focus on finding good deals. If the deal is good, the money follows. I would make a lot of offers and put out a massive direct mail campaign to out of state owners of vacant properties.

2) I would work with rehabbers & landlords and tell them I am their "great deal finder machine." How will I find these rehabbers & landlords? I will spend the majority of my time networking online (BP, Meetup, LinkedIn) and offline (REIA's, Landlord associations, live meet ups, cashflow 101 groups, Rotary club, Chamber of commerce, etc). Instead of me borrowing money without any experience, I will first focus on "gaining" the experience by working with rehabbers & landlords. Wholesaling a couple of deals first will help me gain experience and be familiar with property values in my area.

I met one of my private lenders because I spoke in front of a REIA meeting and I told everyone I have 11 wholesale deals. I never rehabbed a house before but the private lender I met viewed me as experienced because I have a lot of wholesale deals and every time there's a REIA meeting, I always get off my chair and speak in front of the group about the deals I am getting.

3) Talk excitedly about real estate investing to everyone in your network. I talked with my family, relatives, friends, colleagues at work and even strangers I met. My very first investors were my colleagues at work who wanted to get into the action because they got swept by my excitement and energy level. Of course, I put their money into good deals (again, see #1 above).

4) Only after you have a couple of deals, then that's the time you will approach hard money lenders or the banks. These institutions want to see you have experience and skin in the game. As a lender, I want my borrowers to have 10% or more skin in the game and I only lend money to investors who can show they have done at least 3 or more deals.

5) Lastly, have organized financial records (Income Statement and Balance Sheet). I was able to borrow $5M from a bank for a 100+ unit apartment building because I operated as a business and not as a "real estate hobbyist". Obviously, you can't borrow $5M for your first deal from a bank but starting right now, even if you have not done a single deal yet, learn how to be organized in your financial records already. It will impress on your prospective private lenders that you know how to handle money and it will make them feel at ease about lending you money.

So, the above 5 things are what I would do...knowing what I know now...if I am a newbie and I want to get money for my first deal.

What about the other experienced real estate investors out there? How did you get money for your first deal?

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Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
12y

Great post...

Don't overlook partnering though. As a rehabber, if someone finds a great deal and doesn't have the cash for it, they *could* wholesale it to me, or they could come to me and say, "I have a great deal and I'm looking to partner -- you bring the cash and the experience, I'll bring the deal and some hard work."

I'll often give them a reasonable percentage of the profits (as much as they'd have made if they had wholesaled it to me), but in return for doing some work, I'd mentor them through the deal as well. Win/win for a new investor...

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  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    @John E. I wish I started as young as do. If I were you, don't be afraid or shy of your age. Tell them you're starting early so you'll be the next Donald Trump. The Donald started collecting rent for his dad at 8 years old. You starting at 15 is not that big of a deal.

    In fact, you can use your age to your advantage. I don't want to spoonfeed you the answer as to how you can do so. I want you to think about it.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Nice one @Vance Petersen !

    @Mehran K. , so sorry for not returning your call. I was so swamped when you called me. I am still open to lending you money for a great deal in Wisconsin. Just keep me posted on your deals and give me a heads up.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Awesome @Christopher Leon ! Thanks for sharing your experience.

    @David Helman and @Michelle Joiner , you're very welcome. I wish I had biggerpockets when I started. I would have been more successful and would have committed far fewer mistakes with the know-how and the network we have here.

    I suggest you do the same here and give back to the community. You may be beginners but you have fresh eyes when you look at your market. You may have ideas even experienced investors like me have not even thought of.

    I am learning everyday. I have a staff comprising of 2 VAs (one in India and another in the Philippines), 2 full time Property Analysts, 1 full time sales guy, 2 real estate agents - and that's just for our wholesaling business. The oldest is 50+ and the youngest is not even 20 years old. I listen to all of them...even the youngest and most inexperienced member of my team. And I learn from all of them.

    So be generous with your know-how and share them here on BP. You will meet like-minded people who will be fun to do business with.

  • Contractor · Worcester, MA · Member since 2013 · 10 posts · 3 votes
    12y

    Great info, as a newbie, this is something that I have been struggling with although I have done rehabs in the past but am looking to get back in the business.

  • Investor · Antelope, CA · Member since 2014 · 90 posts · 29 votes
    12y
    Awesome post! Thank you very much for sharing this info with us newbies! I try to safe up money and, in the mean time, I market for great deals. Money will come if I find an awesome deal, no doubt in my mind! Again, thanks a million!!
  • Pontiac, MI · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 4 votes
    12y

    All of these replies are awesome, but I particularly fell in love with J. Scotts. The reason why is because I'm hopeful that I will get an opportunity to execute a process such as this one; only difference is I would like to do a little bit of shadow boxing to get my feet wet or soaked which ever comes first. Kudoz for De Guzman for starting the post.

  • Real Estate Investor · Naples, FL · Member since 2014 · 4 posts · 8 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Wendell De Guzman:
    As an experienced real estate investor and now also a private lender, I often get asked the question: "If I am a newbie and lenders don't want to lend to newbies, how can I get money for my first deal?"

    Looking back over my 10 years of experience and knowing what I know now, here's how I would get money for my first deal.

    1) I would focus on finding good deals. If the deal is good, the money follows. I would make a lot of offers and put out a massive direct mail campaign to out of state owners of vacant properties.

    2) I would work with rehabbers & landlords and tell them I am their "great deal finder machine." How will I find these rehabbers & landlords? I will spend the majority of my time networking online (BP, Meetup, LinkedIn) and offline (REIA's, Landlord associations, live meet ups, cashflow 101 groups, Rotary club, Chamber of commerce, etc). Instead of me borrowing money without any experience, I will first focus on "gaining" the experience by working with rehabbers & landlords. Wholesaling a couple of deals first will help me gain experience and be familiar with property values in my area.

    I met one of my private lenders because I spoke in front of a REIA meeting and I told everyone I have 11 wholesale deals. I never rehabbed a house before but the private lender I met viewed me as experienced because I have a lot of wholesale deals and every time there's a REIA meeting, I always get off my chair and speak in front of the group about the deals I am getting.

    3) Talk excitedly about real estate investing to everyone in your network. I talked with my family, relatives, friends, colleagues at work and even strangers I met. My very first investors were my colleagues at work who wanted to get into the action because they got swept by my excitement and energy level. Of course, I put their money into good deals (again, see #1 above).

    4) Only after you have a couple of deals, then that's the time you will approach hard money lenders or the banks. These institutions want to see you have experience and skin in the game. As a lender, I want my borrowers to have 10% or more skin in the game and I only lend money to investors who can show they have done at least 3 or more deals.

    5) Lastly, have organized financial records (Income Statement and Balance Sheet). I was able to borrow $5M from a bank for a 100+ unit apartment building because I operated as a business and not as a "real estate hobbyist". Obviously, you can't borrow $5M for your first deal from a bank but starting right now, even if you have not done a single deal yet, learn how to be organized in your financial records already. It will impress on your prospective private lenders that you know how to handle money and it will make them feel at ease about lending you money.

    So, the above 5 things are what I would do...knowing what I know now...if I am a newbie and I want to get money for my first deal.

    What about the other experienced real estate investors out there? How did you get money for your first deal?

    Great advice! I am new to this site and just starting to get back into real estate investing after being out of the business for several years. I actually started real estate investing when I was twenty three years old and I have an interesting story about how I got money for my first deal. I had recently graduated from college and was working as a bartender at a local beach bar. There was a older guy named Tom who was a regular and was really into cars and was a pilot just like I was and we kinda became buds. He was also obviously rather wealthy because he drove a Mercedes but occasionally he would show up in a Ferrari or Jaguar and he always tipped me really well and he also owned his own plane which isn't cheap. Anyhow, one day we were talking and I asked him if he ever invested in real estate and he said yes he has and quite a bit actually and asked me why I asked. So I told him I had been studying a lot and interested in getting into real estate investing and I would appreciate any advice he could give me. To my surprise he asked me what day I had off so we could get together to talk and I told him. He then said why don't we get together on my day off so I could see his car collection and then we will go out on his "boat" to have lunch and discuss real estate investing.

    He gave me a address and told me to meet him there at 11:00 on my day off and "don't be late!" So on my day off I drove to the address he gave me and it turned out to be a big warehouse located in the industrial area. I made sure I was early and I wasn't even sure that I was at the right place because all that was parked outside was a pickup truck and no sight of Tom so I just sat in my car and waited. Then after a few minutes Tom pulled up to my relief, shook my hand and asked me if I was ready to see some cars. I said I sure was so he we walked over to one of the big steel roll up doors and pounded on it a couple of times and told someone inside to open the door. I was not prepared for what I was about to see when that big steel door was rolled open. The entire warehouse was full of absolutely beautiful cars! He had exotic cars, muscle cars, show cars and a couple of race cars. He had fifty three cars in there and I thought I died and went to car heaven. He then introduced me to Frank who was the guy who let us in and he was a mechanic who's fulltime job was to take care of all the cars...What a job!

    We spent about an hour and a half looking at and talking about all the cars and then it was time to head to the marina to go out on Tom's "boa"t for lunch. Tom asked me if I had ever driven in a Ferrari and I told him no I had not and he said that today was my lucky day. When we walked out the door there was a brand new shiny red Ferrari Testarossa parked outside which was and still is my favorite Ferrari. (I have owned three myself.) Then Tom hands me the keys and tells me I am driving! I was in heaven and the car was a blast to drive but I was so nervous that I drove slowly and Tom was actually telling to "lay into it" and speed up! We finally made it to the marina where I got my second surprise of the day. Tom's "boat" turned out to be a sixty five foot yacht that was named "Dawns Dingy" after his late wife Dawn who was his high school sweetheart and the only girl he had ever dated who had died five years earlier from breast cancer. Tom introduced me to the "captain" and I met the "crew" and the "chef" and off we went. It was a beautiful day and we enjoyed a incredible lobster/seafood lunch and were relaxing and drinking some beers when Tom said it's time to hit some golf balls and discuss real estate investing. So we went up to the top deck and started driving golf balls into the ocean and talked about real estate investing. It turns out that Tom was a successful and seasoned real estate investor who was a wealth of knowledge. We talked for hours and then Tom asked me if I had found any properties that I thought would be a good investment and I told him that yes I had.

    To my surprise he was very interested in one of the properties. It was a forty eight unit apartment complex and the most expensive and profitable property I showed him. Tom actually ended up investing in the property and we made a very nice profit on it. So much so that Tom became my partner and I quit bartending at the age of twenty three and became a full time real estate investor. Eventually some of Toms wealthy friends and golf buddies became investors and we went from not just real estate investors but to developers who built everything from shopping centers to apartment complexes and nursing homes but we were always real estate investors at heart. I majored in business in college but I learned so much more about how business really works in the real world from Tom and his successful friends. Tom actually became like a father figure to me and since he had four daughters and no son I kinda became like a son to him.

    Tom and I were involved with real estate investing together for nine very successful years but Tom had made his fortune in manufacturing OEM parts for the auto industry and he had the opportunity to purchase a failing OEM parts manufacturer for literally pennies on the dollar and thought that he knew exactly what to do to turn it around and make it a very profitable company. There was only one catch...he wanted me to run it! I knew nothing about running a manufacturing company but Tom was positive that he knew exactly what needed to be done and he could teach me what I needed to know. I wasn't sure but I trusted Tom and let's just say he made me a offer I couldn't refuse (Ownership!) and just like that at the age of thirty three I was no longer a real estate investor but the president of a auto parts manufacturing plant. Fortunately Tom is truly a genius when it comes to manufacturing and within two years the company was in the black and profitable. It was a steep learning curve but with Toms steady guidance, education and support I learned how to run a very successful manufacturing plant.

    Unfortunately in my fourth year as president of the company Tom had a massive heart attack and died while playing golf with some friends. I was devastated by his loss. Tom wasn't just a business partner, mentor and father figure to me he was my best friend and I did and do still miss him dearly. But life goes on and I knew Tom would want me to "suck it up" and get back to work and that's just what I did and over the next three years our manufacturing company was very profitable and I was made a very lucrative offer to sell the company so I did and at the ripe old age of forty I was retired. So now after eight years and taking a huge financial loss/pounding during this economic downturn I have decided it's time to return to work and go back to where it all started...real estate investing! I must admit that I am a little bit nervous especially since I no longer have Tom as a partner and investor and I suppose that's why I joined this site for the knowledge and support it offers. Wish me luck!

    Incidentally, do you remember that shiny red Ferrari Testarossa that Tom owned and let me drive when I was twenty three? Well, Tom left it to me in his will!

    P.S. I am truly sorry this turned out to so dang long. It's been a long time since I thought about a lot of this and I guess I was taking a bit of a walk down memory lane so to speak.

  • Boston, MA · Member since 2014 · 152 posts · 63 votes
    12y

    @Wendell De Guzman

    @Wendell De Guzmannald Trump it is. Lol! I'll make sure to think about how to leverage my age.

  • Boston, MA · Member since 2014 · 152 posts · 63 votes
    12y

    @James B. Holy crap man! My name is John Elmenhe, I'm 15 years old and I want to be a real estate investor. Your story was so engaging and you had my eyes glued to the screen as I was reading it. You really should write a book or even create a movie someday about your relationship and success with Tom.

    Anyways... James do you have any advice for a young buck like me? Books? Niches? Words of Wisdom?

    I truly wish you the best in RE investing as you rekindle the fire within. I'll make sure to send you a colleague request.

    Your Friend- JE

  • Lender · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2013 · 78 posts · 44 votes
    12y

    Now this is what I'm talking about.....information, education, real life experience.....freely given.....BP has done it again....continues to blow my mind on the things that I have learn here. God Bless You All!

  • Hamilton, NJ · Member since 2013 · 20 posts · 2 votes
    12y
    Great post Wendell De Guzman and J Scott The tips listed on this post is very helpful to us newbies. I am considering the partnership because the education I can get out of it will be valuable for future deals. I am willing to put in the work in return for the educated experience. Thanks Klee
  • Real Estate Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2013 · 88 posts · 24 votes
    12y

    @James B. thanks for sharing your story. It was so inspirational and touching. We should all be so lucky to find a partner like Tom! I know you miss your friend dearly but I have a strong feeling you will do just fine as you re-enter the REI business again.

    I hope to see more posts from you. I'm eager to pick your brain.

    Good luck and happy investing!

  • Real Estate Investor · Naples, FL · Member since 2014 · 4 posts · 8 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Renee Stewart:
    @James B. thanks for sharing your story. It was so inspirational and touching. We should all be so lucky to find a partner like Tom! I know you miss your friend dearly but I have a strong feeling you will do just fine as you re-enter the REI business again.

    I hope to see more posts from you. I'm eager to pick your brain.

    Good luck and happy investing!

    Renee, That for your kind, positive and inspirational words. You are correct that I was truly lucky to find a partner, mentor and investor like Tom and I truly miss his friendship and sage advice which I could really use right now. Feel free to pick my brain at any time but let me warn you that there aint a whole lot of brain left to pick! LOL!

    God bless and happy investing!

  • East Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2008 · 12 posts · 1 vote
    12y

    Thanks for the info. Very helpful for a newbie like me.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    @James B. , awesome story. Thanks for sharing. Remember: even if Tom is no longer around, the knowledge he taught you is all there. You can use it to get back in the game and become successful again.

  • Real Estate Investor · Naples, FL · Member since 2014 · 4 posts · 8 votes
    12y

    Wendell, I am glad you liked my story and thank for your positive and motivating comments. I hope that I can truly eventually get back in the game. I must admit that I am kinda nervous but with my past experience and help from this site and members like you I know that I have a much better chance at being successful once again.

  • Real Estate Broker · Triangle Area, NC · Member since 2012 · 587 posts · 214 votes
    12y

    @Wendell De Guzman thanks doesn't even begin to do you any justice for this post! I've been in the analysis paralysis stage for quite awhile and reading this may have just been the catalyst for progressing forward. Thank you so much.

    @James B. goodness gracious man that is one hell of a story! Forget REI you need to turn your life experience with Tom into a movie. I'd be first in line to buy a ticket for that! He may not be here to guide you through the next chapter of your investing career but his infinite wisdom is instilled in you so I'm positive you'll be just as successful as you were before. Best of luck to you and thanks for sharing such an inspirational post!

  • Real Estate Investor · Naples, FL · Member since 2014 · 4 posts · 8 votes
    12y

    Hey Michael, I am glad you enjoyed my story and over the years I have truly realized how fortunate and blessed I was that I met a great man like Tom and the successful business partnership but much more importantly personal relationship I had with him. I miss him dearly and it probably would make a good movie as long as long as I don't have to act in it! LOL! I also want to thank you for your positive and uplifting comments about me being a successful REI once again. As I am sure you already know success in the past doesn't guarantee success in the future but with the help and positive motivation from members on this site like you I know I have a great chance of success in this business once again. Thanks a bunch!

  • Kansas City, MO · Member since 2008 · 143 posts · 41 votes
    12y

    I saved money from my normal paycheck and used a partner who did the same. For the next deal used rental income from the first rental, some of my own savings, and even took 2,000 out on a credit card with a 0% intro rate (love that one) for the next down payment, partner did the same. The third one we waited a year and had enough rental income from the first two for the third down payment. Sold the 1st rental for a 30k profit and dumped that into two more rentals.

    Now we are going get a business line of credit against our LLC using are properties as collateral. This will provide a lot of downpayment money and it wont even show up on our personal credit scores when we get our conventional loan.

    At this point all of our rental income will provide enough downpayment money for about two houses a year. The line of credit will allow for 4-5 houses a year.

    Thanks.

  • Real Estate Agent · bolingbrok, IL · Member since 2013 · 12 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    thanks for a great simple and clean post . The follow up comments were great as well

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    @Michael Jobe , you are very welcome. Just keep moving forward. If you don't have the money to buy, just move and make offers. Meet people. Always act and if you take massive action, you will attract the right people who can buy your deal or lend you money.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    You;re very welcome @Kleefenzie Lightner and @Ralph E. !

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    @Oliver Trojahn , awesome. You are very smart and disciplined in saving and using your rental income as downpayment for the next one. With discipline and diligence come success in any field not just real estate. Thanks for sharing!

  • Specialist · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2013 · 227 posts · 158 votes
    12y

    The only advice I would have if you are considering bringing in a partner is three things:

    1. Have a solid full business plan of what you are planning on doing, what resources will be needed, who are the parties involved (attorney, accountant, other investors), what is the business strategy (wholesaling, flipping, buy and hold), what is the market (upper income, working class), economic factors (is it a raising area or declining area of job growth, population size, businesses moving in or out).

    So many times I talk to new investors who have looked at one or two houses and want to borrow $100k from someone because it looks like a good deal. When they have no idea about the market, their strategy or our exit and getting the money back.

    If you want to impress an investor have a rock solid plan that way, your investors will know that you're at least prepared and have done your homework.

    2. A solid contract that spells out in black and white, who is responsible for what and who does what and who has final say on overall strategy and day to day issues.

    This is where I see the most arguments and disagreements coming up when people don't agree on what should be done (especially if the deal is losing money) and everyone thinks they're in charge because they put the money in or they done all the work. I've heard it from both sides. Have an attorney draft an iron clad contract at the beginning and it will keep you out of court later if things go south.

    3. Borrowing money from friends and family is tricky and I personally wouldn't recommend it. There's a saying I remember that goes if you want to ruin Christmas let a family member borrow money in June.

    If you have to borrow money from friends or family make sure you both agree that it's just business and have an agreement for what you will do if the money doesn't come back the way you planned or doesn't come back at all.

    That way everyone can prepare themselves for the worse and there's less likely to be hard feelings because it was already planned for if things went sideways.

    That's my thoughts, I hope it helps and good luck!

  • Real Estate Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 24 posts · 3 votes
    12y

    Wendell,

    Thanks for the post. It definitely gives me a lot to think about.

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