What are some options for funding a rehab project?

What are some options for funding a rehab project?

Hales Corners, WI · Member since 2013 · 229 posts · 80 votes

Dear BP friends --

I am thinking of buying a property for cash.  However, I am concerned about using up all of my non-retirment money on a property deal.  It's just scary.  We obviously need to have an emergency fund for our family, and it feels good to have some cash around, so I can't throw every last cent into 

So, I'm trying to think of options to scratch up money for a rehab.  The property I am considering has a good interior, but definitely needs a new roof and may need a new air conditioner, furnace, electrical updates, etc.  

Option 1 -- run up a credit card?  Ack!

Option 2 -- take a Home Equity Loan on my primary residence?  Ack!

Option 3 -- beg  encourage family members to loan or invest (aka the Brandon Turner method -- see podcast #92)  Ack!

Option 4 -- find a partner or a hard money lender  Ack!

Option 5 -- cash flow the rehab through a monthly budget --- maybe I'm not going to say Ack to this one -- maybe this is the right idea here. 

Option 6 -- 401k loan??  Ack!

What am I missing?   What would you do if you had enough to buy the home but not enough, or maybe not quite enough of a comfort level to self-fund both the rehab plus a cushion?  

(Note: I am a daily Dave Ramsey listener, but I get very torn about where Dave Ramsey meets up with real estate investing.   I am OK with some debt, but I don't want to put myself in a risky place, so I need to be prudent and very conservative about managing the money.)

I am not sure if this is the house, but I might make an offer and see what happens!  But, I'm scared and not sure about stretching the budget.

Also, let's talk about exit strategies -- Ack!

1.  Sell it for below market value

2.  Fix it and sell it for market value

3.  Rent it out  

My main idea is to keep the property and rent it out and hold it,  or to sell it.   It might actually be a good flip (I need to run the calculators), but I desire to own a rental and it might be a very nice rental too.

Thanks for any conversation. I appreciate it!!

Karen

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Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
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Karen, I detect a lot of fear and skepticism on your part and perhaps Dave's teachings have made you too conservative when it comes to leverage. The most powerful tool in RE I know of is leverage, of course tools must be used responsibly, however, when that happens, good things come of it.

You said ack to almost every option in your first post. While I agree it applies to a hard money loan or even a private money loan when your strategy is buy and hold, I think the HELOC or just a low LTV bank loan at what are currently historic low rates are both EXCELLENT options. I 100% disagree with those who believe in owning free and clear homes as it is not much different than placing $100k (or whatever number you are working with) in cash in a safe deposit box.

Owning free and clear always gets the argument that your cash flow is greater and while that may technically be true, by applying leverage, you can increase your cash on cash return and obtain arbitrage from borrowing at lower rates than what the investment yields. What I mean is, if you were to simply borrow from a bank at 4% interest for 15-30 year terms for $50k (say 50% loan to value assuming purchase is $100k), you may have less cash flow as you have debt service, but if you place that $50k into another asset yielding above that 4%, you have just created arbitrage and additional cash flow. Certainly your buy and hold assets produce returns greater than 4%, so each asset supports having debt service and by using that option! you will have even more cash flow and even greater tax benefits and net worth.

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  • Investor · Canton-Akron, OH · Member since 2012 · 917 posts · 477 votes
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    You listed most of the options I was going to mention when I saw the headline.

    I did quite a few partner deals until I had the experience and comfort level to go on my own. 

    I would suggest keeping enough in reserve so if things go south you don't wipe out your reserves.

    Have you thought of financing with a bank for the purchase price, many local portfolio lenders will loan 80% of purchase price, then you could use your cash to do the rehab. 

    We use quite a bit of private money too, maybe you could borrow from a friend or acquaintance at 6-10% for the purchase or rehab. If you are flipping, doing a note for 6-12 month is typical for us. I don't like to partner and do profit splits. 

    Selling for below market value to get a sale is not something I am fond off, we rehab them right so we look better than the competition, and sell them for more then the typical home in the neighborhood, and we average under 30 days on the market. 

    Good luck on the venture.

    PS I am a buy fix and sell guy, so I am not the guy who will advise you to turn it into a rental, unless you cant sell it. 

  • Investor · Apple Valley, MN · Member since 2013 · 281 posts · 94 votes
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    Why not wait a little longer and save up a cash cushion. What's a little more time gonna hurt.
  • Specialist · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2012 · 462 posts · 294 votes
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    Karen M.,

    Use a private lender or find a lender willing to cover the rehab costs via a bridge loan. The return for either should be very competitive and in your favor going this route. 

    As for a private lender specifically, there are those who may have a self directed Roth IRA and who also may be willing to loan you let's say $50K @ 12% for a three (3) to six (6) month period. Of course, I'm not sure what the rehab costs would be but if you own it free and clear, that may be enough skin in the game to have any lender come on board. Assuming the numbers and location are up to par.

    You just have to be willing to search, research, and pitch to those around you.

    Anyways, it is just my two pesos.

    Big Henry

  • Investor · Madera, CA · Member since 2014 · 82 posts · 21 votes
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    I would do what Marcus suggested and save up some more money. One missed deadline or unexpected expense could bankrupt you in this situation.
  • Realtor · Schaumburg, IL · Member since 2011 · 289 posts · 118 votes
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    @Karen M. That is so awesome you listen to Dave! Me too! Dave would not agree with my methods of starting in real estate though - I'll just put it out there! Before I got started though, I did follow his plan to a Tee, and it did give me the foundation I needed to go above and beyond what he teaches. See, what Dave teaches, is a conservative, well-rounded plan for your average, or, regular guy or gal out there. He can and will deliver making anyone who follows his teachings a millionaire - no doubt about it. BUT, for those of us that are stubborn as a mule, or, have the proper foundation (via his teachings) to go above and beyond his program, there are other ways to invest, specifically, in real estate. So, the dilemma at hand... why don't you bring in a partner for the funds? you can just pay back plus some juice, offer a split once the property flips, etc. Is this going to be your first flip? If it is, my recommendation is to not flip and just buy one small property for yourself to have and hold forever. That is a great way to learn the business of investing by almost all aspects. I dont know your qualifications, history or anything and some may think it is improper to advise such things not knowing the entire situation, BUT, experience is the best teacher and with mine working with clients as a real estate investment broker, I have yet to work with a client that could create the product that was asked of them, within the time that was outlined for them, within the budget that was set for them - all in all costing them big bucks in mortgage payments (not really that huge, but when its their only deal and they work a 9-5, it is kind of a big deal - get it?). These experiences are based on people who wanted to do this as their first deal. Luckily, as a competent broker, those properties also worked as a rental and saved their butts! Bottom line, keep the end goal in mind. If you want to flip properties for a living then do it. If your looking to live off some handsome cash flow, then focus and do that. Good luck to ya

  • Hales Corners, WI · Member since 2013 · 229 posts · 80 votes
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    Thank you everyone so much for the feedback.   Honestly, I like to say my marriage is my #1 investment (15 years this month!)  and I realize that buying this house in this situation would stress out my husband.  That is the deal-killer right there.  (Sigh.)   I love my husband though, more than making money, and more than speculating, more than a house.

    Here is the house that I was starting to get the hots for.   It is an auction property, which is what makes it higher on the risk scale.  It is actually not occupied, and I was able to peek in the windows.

    http://www.auction.com/Wisconsin/residential-aucti

    It is very charming on the inside, and the interior condition looks good.  The property would need a new roof, and possibly some mechanical and foundation work. No chance for a home inspection, you see why that is scary.

    I am very tempted to make a small offer, opening bid up to maybe $40k.  It would be a longshot because I doubt the bank would let it go for that, but, you never know.

    On the personal finance front, I waffle between feeling rich and successful and struggling to save.  I do love the simplicity of the Dave Ramsey method.   Dave Ramsey would say -- Do not invest in investment real estate (or additional stock market investing beyond 15% for retirement) until your home is 100% paid off.   Then, buy all properties with 100% cash.  (This means your first property will be a cheap one and that will help you learn the business.) 

    Our home still has a mortgage (balance $125k).  My husband is employed full time and does well, and I am a stay at home mom with a tiny part time income.  We net just over 6-figures a year when he makes bonuses.  We have a chunk of money that is emergency fund + additional investments -- really we have only about $40,000 - $50,000 available to play around with.  (After subtracting the e-fund and our retirement savings are fine).  I am holding a few stocks and stock options with that money that I would need to sell to dig into a property with that money.

    So I am torn -- do I follow Dave Ramsey and kill our mortgage balance (I just sent in a $1,000 principal payment last week and then wasn't sure if I should kick myself for not saving that for real estate investing)  or should I save aggressively to purchase a rental property (and finance it in a conservative way).   I waffle on this A LOT.  

    In theory, I think that I would be OK with a mortgage on an investment property where the investment property secures the mortgage. (I am thinking, hopefully correctly, that the investment home would secure that mortgage, and that I would not be risking our residence with a mortgage on the investment property. I may be wrong about that -- anyone know the answer?) I am hesitant to consider a HELOC on our home, it seems riskier.

    I am working on honing our monthly budget and personal savings rate so we can reach either goal faster (save for investing or pay off our mortgage).

    I totally see Dave Ramsey's point of view -- pay off your mortgage, you live with virtually no fear and no risk to your family's well being.

    When we went to peek in the windows of this foreclosure, in the open garbage cans out by the garage were legos and kids toys.  It was SAD.  This home had a family with kids who lost their home.  It would seem like our job #1 is to make our family as secure as possible.  My husband has been through 2 layoffs in the past, he has recovered well each time, but it was hard on him emotionally, and it has made me feel more risk averse. 

    Since I have a strong desire to achieve the goals of paying off our mortgage and increasing our investments, I am thinking about going back to work, full time, to earn as much as I can.  I had thought that my "job" would be real estate investing, but it may be that we are not really ready for it yet.   I had thought I would never work in an office again, but perhaps taking 4 or 5 years to hammer on our goals would be worth it. 

    Then again, I don't want to wait forever.  Double Ack!

    Thank you for listening. 

  • Hales Corners, WI · Member since 2013 · 229 posts · 80 votes
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    @Christopher Leon -- we are 99% going to pass on this property (see above post), but… what would comfort me if we bought it for cash is that there would be no mortgage payment stress.   (However, property taxes will run $500+/month and that sure can add up fast!!)  

    I totally understand what you are saying about budgets and timelines getting stretched / deadlines not met.  Especially for a first timer!

    There will be other properties, many of them.  With better buying circumstances and fewer unknowns.  Thanks for your feedback! 

  • Hales Corners, WI · Member since 2013 · 229 posts · 80 votes
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    @Brandon Hopkins   I don't think we would be bankrupt with no mortgage payment, but, we certainly could become very uncomfortable and stressed out.   Are we investing with the goal of getting stressed out?   No! 

    Would you pay off your personal residence first if you were us?   I'm waffling on that.  

    Thanks for the advice!

  • Hales Corners, WI · Member since 2013 · 229 posts · 80 votes
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    It is our intent to try land lording with an affordable first property.  How exactly did you stretch or go above and beyond the Dave Ramsey baby steps @Christopher Leon 

  • Hales Corners, WI · Member since 2013 · 229 posts · 80 votes
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    Big Henry -- a private lender sounds like a good idea, if we were to move forward.  I think we are going to pass, but I will be watching the auction over the next few days.   Thanks.  @Henry M. 

  • Hales Corners, WI · Member since 2013 · 229 posts · 80 votes
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    @Marcus Johnson  -- I like the simplicity of waiting and saving.  :)   Would you suggest paying off our home first before investing, or would you go for it with a property sooner than that (see above for detail).   Thanks!

  • Hales Corners, WI · Member since 2013 · 229 posts · 80 votes
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    @Dell Schlabach   thanks for the suggestions,  we're going to pass on this property because there is too much "unknown" and while it could turn out great,  it's not close enough to a sure thing, and we don't have enough extra cash on hand to have the confidence to go for it or to involve a lender.  Thanks for the ideas!  

  • Mike HurneyPro Member
    Real Estate Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 542 votes
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    @Karen M. I feel like I know this guy Dave already..... Sorry but at best, we're only interested in your plan and you if you're on this forum.

    1. What's your current home mortgage rate? and based on your Principal and Interest payments you may only want to make an extra Principal payment only.

    2. Just like a Turtle, you only move ahead when you stick your head out a little. with minimum calculated risks of course.

  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
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    So, why not get the HELOC and only use it for emergency purposes? Then you can invest using your cash without as great a worry about covering an emergency.

  • Investor · Lafayette/Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 915 votes
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    @Karen M. 

    I have to say, I love Dave Ramsey.  I think he offers some of the best personal finance information available today with one exception; he is way too extreme toward debt. Of course it's prudent never to overextend yourself, but to do everything with cash as he recommends is extremely limiting.  Can it be done, yes, but if you have the discipline to follow all of the basic fundamental ideas he teaches to manage your personal finances, you have what it takes to use debt responsibly. 

    I know you have to do what allows you to sleep well at night, but it is a totally missed opportunity when you give back (payback early) the extremely cheap money available to you when you have a mortgage at today's rates.  It makes perfect sense in a higher interest rate environment, but if you are young and need money to invest for the future, we have a huge advantage.  You can find plenty of arguments here on BP about this issue, so I'll drop it and let you read through those conversations rather than stir it up here.

    You've already decided against this deal, so I'll offer some food for thought on the next one you consider.  Two options come to mind: crowd-funding and Home Depot's "Project Loan."   Dawn Anastasi mentioned using a Lending Club.com loan to fund a rehab of one of her properties in her podcast.  I think they offer up to 35k?  This one requires a first lien position, which would work if you buy the property with cash.

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2013/08/01/bp-podcast-029-peer-to-peer-fix-hold-dawn/

    The other, that I have used (I'm on my second time now!) is the Home Depot "Project Loan."  It is based on your personal credit and not a loan against any specific property.  You go to their service desk and you can get approval in 5-10 minutes if your credit is in order.  It is extremely easy and the terms are awesome!

    http://www.homedepot.com/c/Credit_Center

  • Bill B.Pro Member
    Camarillo, CA · Member since 2013 · 217 posts · 86 votes
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    Everyone must invest based on their personal circumstances.  Those circumstances include available time, available money, knowledge, and (very importantly) risk tolerance. The last two seem to be in short supply in your case.  AND there is NOTHING wrong with that.  We all start somewhere.

    To add to the points made by others above, I'd support the previous suggestion that you find someone who knows the business and can help you run the numbers; has experience in evaluating properties; has crews in place nearby; etc.   YOU do all the leg work of the remodel AFTER they "bless" the property.  

    Experienced people can tell a LOT from the outside and just looking in windows.  They also know how much cushion to build in.  A two minute review (NOTHING to rely on) says that the home is worth around 100K, maybe more for a top notch rehab.  If you can get the home for 40K or less, things could work out well.  

    And HERE is the GREAT part: If the mentor says it is a great deal, money is not an issue. The Mentor may pony up; HML will line up (especially if you have a known mentor that they've previously done business with); it is easier to approach family and friends; you can just wholesale it to the Mentor for some easy cash and NONE out of your pocket; and there are probably more ideas that more experienced people here on BP can add. But the KEY point is money is much less of an issue if the deal is vetted by an experienced person and deemed good.

    Stating is another way and from a different angle, having an experienced person in the greater Milwaukee area in on the deal provides a LOT of "peace of mind".  They are NOT going to go in on a deal that does not make sense.  Just meeting them at the property to review it and discuss the numbers (do a LOT of prep work on values BEFORE you meet with them....it is on a divided hwy, that knocks down price, etc) will teach you a LOT.  

    AND, if (<--- see "IF") they say it is a good deal, your risk of doing the fix and flip just dropped like a led balloon.   You could do ALL the work (interfacing with the contractors, etc.......but, keeping the mentor informed of every step....having the mentor do onsite inspections at critical steps...) and offer them fifty, sixty, or seventy percent of profit as "tuition".  That cuts your return in terms of dollars, but you can't price the value of the knowledge (and peace of mind that an experienced person is watching your back) you'll have as you "get your feet wet".  

    Also, experienced people will JUMP on a deal and WILL make it happen, if (<--- see "IF" again?) it is a great deal.   So, the short timeline is not an issue IF it is a great deal. 

    I envy you living in an area where you can purchase a house, CASH, for what is barely a twenty percent down payment here.  Your risk is largely mitigated by that fact alone.  Your gross family income can purchase a decent/nice house in full.  Our gross family income is a fifteen or twenty percent down on a fixer.  

    No "woe is me", just perspective for you.   

    In fact, I want to stress that you are right and correct to be cautious. You can lose a LOT of money very, very quickly in REI. But, there are many, MANY ways to mitigate risk. The low housing costs in your area are a HUGE benefit to you and your family. Your family income and family frugality is another HUGE advantage, especially when combined with the previous point about housing costs in SE WI. Finding an experienced flipper in the area and showing them the deal and your available resources will substantially cut any remaining risk. There WILL still be risk. But substantially less than you "winging it" on your own.

    Finally, if the mentor/partner idea is a non-starter, I'd suggest that you "get your feet wet" by loaning a portion of your risk capital to a flipper.  You may earn as much as 12% plus points. (I don't know the market in your area) And if done properly, your investment is secured by the real property, AND you are also building a relationship with someone who can do the mentoring outlined above in the future.  Double win.  Vet them as you'd vet any entity to whom you would lend money.  Visit previous projects, ask for references, etc, etc, etc.  

    As far as the Ramsey method. I must confess that I've not studied him. But, having a loan on your primary residence (assuming that you have at least twenty percent equity in the property) is NOT a bad thing. Instead of paying it down, I'd be investing at a rate higher than the mortgage rate. Funding a HML at 8% or more should beat any return that you'd get by paying down a 4% (or less) mortgage. AND, the HML investment is secured by Real Estate.

    Sorry for rambling.

    I hope this is received in the constructive manner it was intended.

    Good luck. God Bless. And Go Get 'em!!!! i.e. Just Start!!! You are in a far superior position to many newbies here on BP. Be cautious, mitigate risk in any and every reasonable way, but START.  You'll be glad you did.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix/Lima, Arizona/OH · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    Hahahaha - this is the problem with BP. People come here, read, and are often misled into believing that REI is not Ack! Karen - it's real estate - it's investing - it's risky and it's messy. If you are looking for Not Ack, mutual funds is your huckleberry...

    It's a great post, though, from an entertainment stand-point.  Also, you appear to know full well what the answers are.  You know what the pill looks like.  And, if you are honest with yourself, you know that everything about it is Ack!  Are you in or not?!

  • Will BarnardPro Member
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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
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    Karen, I detect a lot of fear and skepticism on your part and perhaps Dave's teachings have made you too conservative when it comes to leverage. The most powerful tool in RE I know of is leverage, of course tools must be used responsibly, however, when that happens, good things come of it.

    You said ack to almost every option in your first post. While I agree it applies to a hard money loan or even a private money loan when your strategy is buy and hold, I think the HELOC or just a low LTV bank loan at what are currently historic low rates are both EXCELLENT options. I 100% disagree with those who believe in owning free and clear homes as it is not much different than placing $100k (or whatever number you are working with) in cash in a safe deposit box.

    Owning free and clear always gets the argument that your cash flow is greater and while that may technically be true, by applying leverage, you can increase your cash on cash return and obtain arbitrage from borrowing at lower rates than what the investment yields. What I mean is, if you were to simply borrow from a bank at 4% interest for 15-30 year terms for $50k (say 50% loan to value assuming purchase is $100k), you may have less cash flow as you have debt service, but if you place that $50k into another asset yielding above that 4%, you have just created arbitrage and additional cash flow. Certainly your buy and hold assets produce returns greater than 4%, so each asset supports having debt service and by using that option! you will have even more cash flow and even greater tax benefits and net worth.

  • Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2014 · 811 posts · 420 votes
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    Karen, 

    Why not buy a property in Milwaukee for like $50,000 or $60,000 that you can rent out for $1,000 or so a month? You can buy move in ready houses like this in average neighborhoods all over the city. You can get any local bank to give you a 75%LTV on these kinds of houses. You only need to come up with 12 to 15k cash out of pocket still leaving you with plenty of cash reserves. And you can get a 30yr fixed rate mortgage for only 4.5% or so. You will get a taste of how comfortable you are using leverage. Very low risk. It will cash flow and you can use that money to either pay down the mortgage faster or to invest in other properties.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Karen M.:

    Dear BP friends --

    I am thinking of buying a property for cash.  However, I am concerned about using up all of my non-retirment money on a property deal.  It's just scary.  We obviously need to have an emergency fund for our family, and it feels good to have some cash around, so I can't throw every last cent into 

    So, I'm trying to think of options to scratch up money for a rehab.  The property I am considering has a good interior, but definitely needs a new roof and may need a new air conditioner, furnace, electrical updates, etc.  

    Option 1 -- run up a credit card?  Ack!

    Option 2 -- take a Home Equity Loan on my primary residence?  Ack!

    Option 3 -- beg  encourage family members to loan or invest (aka the Brandon Turner method -- see podcast #92)  Ack!

    Option 4 -- find a partner or a hard money lender  Ack!

    Option 5 -- cash flow the rehab through a monthly budget --- maybe I'm not going to say Ack to this one -- maybe this is the right idea here. 

    Option 6 -- 401k loan??  Ack!

    What am I missing?   What would you do if you had enough to buy the home but not enough, or maybe not quite enough of a comfort level to self-fund both the rehab plus a cushion?  

    (Note: I am a daily Dave Ramsey listener, but I get very torn about where Dave Ramsey meets up with real estate investing.   I am OK with some debt, but I don't want to put myself in a risky place, so I need to be prudent and very conservative about managing the money.)

    I am not sure if this is the house, but I might make an offer and see what happens!  But, I'm scared and not sure about stretching the budget.

    Also, let's talk about exit strategies -- Ack!

    1.  Sell it for below market value

    2.  Fix it and sell it for market value

    3.  Rent it out  

    My main idea is to keep the property and rent it out and hold it,  or to sell it.   It might actually be a good flip (I need to run the calculators), but I desire to own a rental and it might be a very nice rental too.

    Thanks for any conversation. I appreciate it!!

    Karen

     If you're going to say "Ack!" to everything, don't invest. Just wholesale the deal and move on...or don't invest period. Keep your money in the bank earning 0.1% interest.

  • Dawn AnastasiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    I think being comfortable with your decisions, being able to sleep at night, and making sure that you are 100% in agreement with your spouse is more important than the stress it might cause you to try something new.

    Have a long discussion with your husband and brainstorm together.

  • Jerry W.Pro Member
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    Investor · Thermopolis, WY · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    @Karen M., I like Dave Ramsey, but his best student are those who have dug themselves into useless debt.  Folks don't end up in debt an unable to pay their bills if they only bought good income producing properties.  it is the folks over using credit cards for dinners and gifts and vacations, student loans, etc.  You have many options, buy a cheaper house and fix it up, get a partner both a skilled person and financially.  Get an 80% loan so you have money for the rehab, or even put in a low bid and see what happens, either you get a screaming deal, or you lose the bid.  perhaps the property would only need a light rehab to rent.  Save the new AC or even new carpet money for later after you rent it out for a year or 2 as long as it will not degrade.  A leaky roof needs immediate attention, but a few loose shingles with no leaks can be patched enough to get by.  There are always solutions if you look hard enough.  The problem comes down to comfort levels.  Someone once said the biggest thing holding some folks back from a GREAT life is a good life.  We do not want to risk changing our comfort level without knowing how it will be later.  You took a risk getting married, you took a risk going to school, you took a risk buying your current house, you took a risk in taking a job, etc.  Would your life be better or worse if you had not taken those risks?  You need to evaluate the deal, is it a good one or not?  Maybe you need a property you can inspect, but you need to use your head and let your logic, not your fear decide.

  • Investor · Central Valley, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    What about finding a deal with seller financing on the buy.  Say you find a property where the seller will take 10% down and the rest in 6 months.  Use your cash for the down and the rehab.  Sell for market value in 6 months and pay off seller at closing.

    Sounds to me like you don't have a plan if you are thinking that your exit is sell OR rent.  Buy to rent.  Or buy to sell.  The numbers are crunched differently.  One is for cash flow and return on investment.  The other is return on your invest, typically short term.  Don't buy to sell and then rent because it wouldn't sell.  That's a last resort option, not a plan.

  • Investor · Peachtree Corners, GA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Karen aka Bill the Cat,  while I think Dave Ramsey offers a brilliant service I don't believe 100% in what he says, especially when he's being a bit hypocritical such as when saying a 15 year mortgage is okay in certain situations.  Sorry but that is debt!  

    As @Will Barnard said leverage and arbitrage are often good things especially when you have adequate reserves. The danger comes with over leveraging and the inability to keep up with loan payments especially in turbulent market periods.  

  • Orlando, FL · Member since 2013 · 39 posts · 11 votes
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    I have to second what Darren Budahn suggests.  Using a portion of your funds for a down payment on a rent ready or light rehab rental property that cash flows is not a substantial risk. You would have a cash cushion for emergencies as well as a cash flow cushion. 

    If you decide to go that route, use the 50% rule if you are unsure of the expenses.  I have a friend who has been investing in Milwaukee rentals and doing quite well. It seems that this market supports cash flow investing.

    I don't know Dave, but it seems like he makes his nickle selling people fear.

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