First Deal: Financing, ROI,and reno repair estimate questions.

First Deal: Financing, ROI,and reno repair estimate questions.

Omaha, NE · Member since 2015 · 13 posts · 1 vote

So I'm just starting out, about to make my first offer on a house. It's a foreclosure, I'm going to offer 140k. The house should sell for 260k after it's fixed up. The kicker is that it's going to need about 90k in repairs because it needs 40k of foundation repair work.

My first question is: if I'm going to buy in with a conventional mortage, I can put 20% down because I have a home equity line of credit on my current house. I'm wondering if I can get a loan for more than the 140k I'm offering, say 160 or 180k to cover some of the repairs? I don't know that I can come up with 90k for repairs on my own. Is this an option?

Second question is: What kind of profit should I be looking to make? If I have to invest 30k cash for a 20% downpayment, then another 90k for repairs, that's 120k total cash injection. If it takes me 6-10 months since it's my first flip, how much should I realistically be looking to get back on the 120k invested? Maybe conventional wisdom and seasoned deal finders would get 30k-40k back on 120k invested, I was hoping for 20k (18%). As everyone knows it's hard to find deals and I'm mainly looking on MLS so the margin isn't going to be huge.

Third question is: I was hoping someone could help me out on some repairs estimates for the midwest. I live in Omaha specifically, but any midwest estimates should do. Keep in mind this is a 260k house which in Omaha is pretty nice, so no low grade materials.

Hardwood floors: $10/square foot

Tile: $10/square foot

Carpet: $5 square foot

I'm sure these are higher than most people estimate, but keep in mind I'm a first time flipping with no prior relationships with these contracts, so no return customer deals. Any help would greatly be appreciated! I love BP and look forward to gaining more knowledge and being able to contribute more.

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Owen DashnerPro Member
Lender · Omaha, NE · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
10y

Nick, congrats on getting started. I dont want to be Debbie Downer, but based on what you described, you should not do that deal for your first one. Not even close. Let's say your comps are correct at $260. Let's say you are exactly right with your repair estimates (which you won't be with no experience). That would put your purchase and repair costs alone at $230k. 

Where is your profit going to be after 2 sets of closing costs, realtor commissions when you sell, interest on your loan, insurance, utility costs, taxes, etc.?  Not to mention that buyers will never pay full retail for a house with major previous foundation problems.

Please either lower your max offer by quite a bit, or move on to an easier first project, or partner with an experienced rehabber. Learn from my mistakes - there is no profit in the deal you are describing, and potential for a big loss. Keep hunting.

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  • Flipper/Rehabber · Omaha, NE · Member since 2015 · 1 post · 0 votes
    10y

    Hey Nick, I'm a fellow investor in Omaha, good hear your looking at making the jump into your first flip.

    Repairs from last couple deals. 

    Hardwood, after install and trim id say Closer to $10-15 also stairs will be more, 

    Tile, install only(add cost of tile) $5-6 floor $6-10 walls. Also don't forget cost of shower pans or poured floors

    Carpet your about right, can get away with cheap carpet. 

    What neighborhood is the home?

    Also had a house in Bellevue that had previous foundation issues that WERE repaired and not a issue to the structure of the home and had buyers back out just because it scared them and they didn't want to take the risk. Had deal fall through after inspector pointed out the repaired area...

  • Owen DashnerPro Member
    Lender · Omaha, NE · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    Nick, congrats on getting started. I dont want to be Debbie Downer, but based on what you described, you should not do that deal for your first one. Not even close. Let's say your comps are correct at $260. Let's say you are exactly right with your repair estimates (which you won't be with no experience). That would put your purchase and repair costs alone at $230k. 

    Where is your profit going to be after 2 sets of closing costs, realtor commissions when you sell, interest on your loan, insurance, utility costs, taxes, etc.?  Not to mention that buyers will never pay full retail for a house with major previous foundation problems.

    Please either lower your max offer by quite a bit, or move on to an easier first project, or partner with an experienced rehabber. Learn from my mistakes - there is no profit in the deal you are describing, and potential for a big loss. Keep hunting.

  • Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2014 · 811 posts · 420 votes
    10y
    You should listen to the advice of Owen D. He is exactly right. There is no money to be made here at all with the numbers you provided
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