Attention Birddogs: This is a Must Read For You! (7 Steps To Get Started Now)

Attention Birddogs: This is a Must Read For You! (7 Steps To Get Started Now)

Real Estate Investor · Woodbridge, VA · Member since 2009 · 48 posts · 70 votes

The purpose of this posting is to give you Birddogs (Property Locator sounds better) a little help in getting started in the birddog world. I just want to outline your responsibilities as a birddog and how to avoid pitfalls, which may discourage your efforts.

STEP 1. Find an Investor to Birddog for.

-You can find investors anywhere. Bigger Pockets is a great start. Look at their profiles and find out if they are looking for deals. Build rapport and see if that investor gives out referral/finder fees for properties that you locate for them

- You can always advertise your services in the the newspaper classified ads section.

- Use websites like craigslist.com, backpage.com, kaboo.org, etc. One thing you will learn in the Real Estate world is that MARKETING is what drives the biz. No matter if your a birddog, or an investor.


STEP 2. Identify your Investor's Criteria

- Ask them what areas they need properties in. If they say Nationwide, then you hit the jackpot because you can look anywhere.

- Ask them what ARV (After Repair Value) or LTV (Loan to Value) they purchase at minus the repair costs.

Here's an example: Let's say a property is worth $100,000 and needs $0.00 in Repairs. The investor tells you that they purchase at 70% ARV - rehab costs.

How much should the seller's asking price be? Your answer $70,000

[$100,000 (Home Value) X 70% ARV - 0.00 repairs= $70,000.

Therefore your investor will most likely not purchase this home for more than $70,000. If the seller is asking for more, Ask them if they'll consider less. If they say No, Move onto the next one. If they say Yes, contact your investor ASAP. If they say maybe, Contact your Investor ASAP. Unless you are really skilled at negotiating, let the seller know that you'll get in touch with your investor and he/she will be handling the negotiating offer, once you submit the deal to them.

STEP 3: GET IT IN WRITING.

-This is a good way to do business, but if you can't get it in writing, then so be it. You can still do business with the Investor. Don't let that hold you back. BUT with that said, when you start wholesaling or investing yourself, everything you do should be in writing. IT BETTER BE!! LOL


Step 4. Give your Investor as much INFO upfront as possible.

- The less info you provide, the slower the deal will probably go, because You'll be busy playing the messenger. Everytime Your Investor asks you a question, you have to run back to the seller, then you take the seller's answer and run back to the Investor to give them that. This can go on for days, before your Investor even contacts the Seller. DON'T WASTE TIME. Here's what they will most likely be looking for and forgive me if I miss anything, but you can always ask Your INVESTOR ANYWAY:


1. Asking Price
2. Property Value
3. Repair Costs
4. Repair details
5. Mortgage Balance (If applicable)
6. Mortgage Payments (If applicable)
7. Reason Why the seller is Selling!
8. Comparables
9. PHOTOS
10. Full Address and contact INFO of Owner

Now, I listed 10 things that are necessary for Investors to make decisions. There are much more thing's they'll need, but what I listed above should keep the questions to a minimum. If anything the 1st 6 steps to include the Photos is definitely a MUST Give. Investors want the NUMBERS and PICTURES. Just Numbers will do for some of them. That is what will make them look at your deal.

Step 5. Always keep the Contact Info of the seller and the Investor.

-If you do not hear from your investor. Follow up with them. If they can't be reached, follow up with the seller. Sometimes Investors get so busy that they may forget to update you on the status.

-Another thing is, if the Investor tries to go around you and cut you out the deal, then you can just follow up with the seller to find out what the status is. This is a rare situation, but it can happen this day and age. In this situation, you can let the Investor know that because he closed on the deal, he needs to pay you what was agreed to. If he ignores you, then simply move on. It would probably be less cost effective for you in the long run if you avoid courts, etc. NEVER DEAL WTH THAT INVESTOR AGAIN!! Yes, it is true that you lost out on a deal and the investor made money because of you, BUT with that said, they won't be making any more money off of you.

Ok Enough of the Negative side to this. Let's move on to the next step.


Step 6: When your Investor has the deal under contract, help him MARKET it. Many birddogs just rely on the Investor to market the deal and they just sit around waiting to get paid.

-Check this out, if you find a buyer for the property then you have basically coordinated the entire thing and you should get paid as soon as they close. I say should, because you know what we discussed in STEP 5.

- Another reason you want to find a buyer, is because some investors offer Double Bonuses!! They'll pay you for finding the the Property and finding the Buyer!!! Ask your Investor about that....They may do it, or they may not. Don't let it discourage you though.

- Not only can finding a buyer for your Investor make you money, but if you just happen to find another Investor who's interested in the deal, then you just found another Investor that you can BIRDDOG for.

- Now Occasionally you'll get people who will respond to your ad about your Investor's property and they want to see the property, or they just want to inquire about it. Then they decide it's not for them. So what do you do.....Forget about them, right? WRONG!!!!!! You keep their contact information and start building a Buyer's LIST. These are for those future properties that you'll be finding, that just may spark their interest!

Grow your list by MARKETING, MARKETING, MARKETING. Eventually when you move up to the investor stage, you'll have a Buyer's LIST of your own!! Make Sense???


STEP 7. GETTING PAID!!!!!

-Absolutely, this is the best part right? When your Investor Closes on the deal, you get PAID anywhere between $500 -$1000 per deal. If you find 5 deals a month that your Investor closes on, you could be making an extra $5000 a month that your investor. Sometimes you can even make more. It all depends on your investor. These are just average figures

-NOTE: You may have to wait 2-6 weeks to get paid. It all depends on the buyer. If they are a cash buyer, you should get paid within 2 weeks. If it's a buyer that is looking to close on a conventional loan or something, then you will be waiting a lot longer. But whether it is a cash buyer or a conventional buyer, you NEED TO FIND A BUYER PERIOD!! Income is Income no matter how you look at it. Patience is a Virtue!

- Set up a PayPal account, if you'd like. You'll get paid Instantly when Your Investor closes. Instead of having to wait for the mail. But hey, Income is income, right?




Well, that's all I can think of. I'm tired and I need to get to bed. I hope this will help you get started. Don't just be a BIRDDOG Forever. Start wholesaling yourself...Move up Quickly! You can Do it.
You'll find that the biggest struggle that everone has when getting started in Real Estate is themselves!!


Let me know if I missed anything.

Disclaimer: This is based on my personal opinion/experience. Proceed at your own risk!

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Real Estate Investor · Fremont, CA · Member since 2010 · 68 posts · 19 votes
16y

Bill,

Not knowing you personnally I think you may be either a lawyer or a real estate agent. If you are niether of the above and you are honestly concerned that the birddog is in violation of some law for their sake then I apologize for what I am about to say ahead of time.

Lawyers always bring the law into any situation because you need me (the lawyer) so pay me for what I know. Is there a genuine concern about the birddog violating some law?

Are you sincerely worried about a birddog making a living or just a frustrated RE Agent with an axe to grind. Your commission is safe if you are a RE Agent. RESPA laws apply to you the RE Agent and/or a Lender.

The investor is the one paying the referral fee in this instance. The HUD-1 can reflect the outgoing referral fee without calling it a referral fee.

You can legally buy and sell as many properties as you want in any state without ever needing a Real Estate License or using a RE Agent.

Also the birddog can complete a Standard Purchase and Sales agreement as an assignable contract with the motivated seller using anyone of several "Subject To" exit strategies legally making their referral fee.

With that in mind, here's some alternatives for taking your "Bird Dog Fee" / "Refferal Fee" and calling it something else on the HUD-1 or not reporting it on the HUD-1 at all.

You can take your fee as a payment for advertising. Just be sure you record the transaction between the investor and yourself with a receipt for advertising services rendered.

Get paid for your labor. Write up a receipt going from your investor to you for an hourly wage equal to your bird dog fee. In reality you could divide the number of hours you've spent looking for homes for that investor and divide that number by your fee.

Sell them a something. Anything tangible with a receipt for purchase will do the trick. The goal here is to leave a trail that points towards goods exchanged for money.

Get a loan. Write up an installment contract from your investor to you equal to the amount of your fee (Typically between $500 and $4000). BEFORE SIGNING have him give you a check for your fee and write paid in full on the installment contract.

In summary the referral fee can be:
1) put under assignable contract
2) charged as an advertising fee
3) charged as an hourly labor fee
4) charged as a purchase of goods by the investor
5) charged as an installment loan
Items 2 to 5 do not even have to appear on the HUD-1. They can be reported to anyone interested by your CPA like the IRS as part of your operating expenses.

Ken

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  • Altus, OK · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 690 votes
    17y

    Excellent advice J Lamar now we can refer newbie birdies to this thread if they want to know how to bird dog.

  • Real Estate Investor · Woodbridge, VA · Member since 2009 · 48 posts · 70 votes
    17y

    Thanks Mr_Investor. That was my intent and I hope it is beneficial.

  • Atlanta, GA · Member since 2009 · 177 posts · 52 votes
    17y

    Nice article J Lamar, I also checked out your website really liked the webisodes very informative and professional.

  • Real Estate Investor · Woodbridge, VA · Member since 2009 · 48 posts · 70 votes
    17y

    Thank you Ty. Hope they help...

  • Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2008 · 148 posts · 22 votes
    17y

    J.,

    Very nice article.

    Anthony

  • Real Estate Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2008 · 443 posts · 91 votes
    17y

    Great post ! Lots of great information




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  • Elk Grove, CA · Member since 2009 · 27 posts · 0 votes
    17y

    great thread.

  • Real Estate Consultant · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2009 · 94 posts · 28 votes
    17y

    Great info and well thought out.

    Make a ebook out of it and call it the "Birddog Bible".

  • Real Estate Investor · Woodbridge, VA · Member since 2009 · 48 posts · 70 votes
    17y

    @ Tony

    lol. I really have been thinking about it.

  • Real Estate Consultant · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2009 · 94 posts · 28 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by J. Lamar Ferren:
    @ Tony

    lol. I really have been thinking about it.

    That wasn"t something that I just thought up , it is prophetic.

    Call those things that are not as though they are.

    Even though the Bible is the greatest book on the planet. :D

  • Real Estate Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2009 · 31 posts · 0 votes
    17y

    Great article J. Lamar!

    Tara

  • Real Estate Investor · Torrington, CT · Member since 2009 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    17y

    J. Lamar,

    Thanks for taking the time to write your 7 steps to getting started as a Birddog, I am sure I will be referring back to this frequently. I was recently laid off and would like to start birddogging to get some extra money because unemployment just will not cut it…

    When I was working, my wife and I were looking to rehab and flip homes. I had a few deals slip through my fingers because I could not get the funding in time. Now that I am out of work it seems harder to try and get funding. Even many Hard Money Lenders that I speak to say they now will only lend to experienced rehabbers (4 - 6 flips) even though we had the 20% liquid assets they wanted.

    I do have a few questions for you. When you talk about finding properties for other investors I assume you mean properties that I can physically check out? Do I do the walk through with the realtor? Because I doubt a realtor will show me a property or give me comps if they know I am just birddogging it for someone else.

    Do YOU need a birddog in CT? If so please send me a PM with you criteria if it differs from the list in step 4.

    ilmar molder

  • Real Estate Investor · Woodbridge, VA · Member since 2009 · 48 posts · 70 votes
    17y

    @Tara- Thanks and I hope you enjoyed it.

    @ Ilmar- Honestly, I don't view the properties in person. I use to just interview the seller and gather pictures for the investor. If the investor was interested then they'd go check out the house themselves.

    Now if I was going to view the property in person, then I'd initially target For Sale By Owner (FSBO) properties. No Realtors to worry about. Although, if the deal was good and it had a Realtor, then I would just build a relationship with that Realtor and be open with them about what I'm doing. Usually they'll say that they can't pay you a referral fee, which is true...but they can pay you a marketing fee.

    If all else fails and the realtor won't allow me to do it, then I'm moving on to the next. I don't get attached to any deal, no matter how much is at stake.

    Hope that helps.

    -J. Lamar

  • Real Estate Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2008 · 48 posts · 17 votes
    17y

    Awesome information, J. Lamar, for those whose goal is birddogging. But for those who aspire to wholesale, don’t use birddogging as a stepping stone. Bite off more than you can chew; then, start chewing. Remember, finding the deal is the hardest part. If you have the ability to find the deal, you have the ability to wholesale the deal, yourself. You can’t chew with somebody else’s teeth. If you find a good deal and pass it along to another wholesaler, you’ll give up the learning experience, you’ll give up the opportunity to begin building your own buyers list and you’ll give up almost all of the profit. That’s not to say you shouldn’t use an established wholesaler and the benefits of an already developed buyers list; you should, but do it from a position of strength, control and equality. Your “find†is worth more than a referral fee, 50/50, nothing less.

  • Real Estate Investor · Ann Arbor, MI · Member since 2009 · 130 posts · 4 votes
    17y

    If you toss the RE some cash to say thanks for their time (assuming you get paid as a bird dog), I'm sure they wouldn't mind showing you however many properties you want. Especially when a lot of RE agents are looking for anyway to bring in some extra income.

  • Real Estate Investor · Woodbridge, VA · Member since 2009 · 48 posts · 70 votes
    17y

    @ John Lydic- I agree with everything you're saying. If you want to wholesale, then you need to get it going. However, if you don't have the time, don't feel like dealing with paperwork, can't negotiate yet, would like for someone to "hold your hand" so to speak on some deals (all depends on the investor you birddog for), then I feel that birddogging would definitely be the way to go. It's all about what you're willing to do. Finding the deal is key, however Closing the deal is what puts the money in the bank. The question is, Can you handle wholesaling on your own? If no, then I think it's best to start with being a birddog. Just don't do it forever. As John, said you're losing out on big profits.

  • Real Estate Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2008 · 48 posts · 17 votes
    17y

    Well said, J. Lamar. There are plenty of people who are not ready to make the transition, or birddogging happens to be their preferred niche. By all means, use birddogs and anyone else who gives you a lead, but reward them well. It’s additional income that you wouldn’t have had otherwise. And there’s nothing like a big phat check to keep a good birddog motivated.

  • Wholesaler · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2009 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    17y

    Thanks J. Lamar, that was very informative and definitely good and clear information for a newbie like me!

  • Specialist · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2008 · 140 posts · 14 votes
    17y

    Good stuff. That's enough information to give a newbie birddog to go out there and get there feet wet.

  • Nashville, TN · Member since 2009 · 37 posts · 3 votes
    17y

    Great information. However, I agree with Tony that you should publish some more. The more information about how to start out bird-dogging that is out there the better, I think this is one of the most crucial (and difficult) transitional steps for a lot of people to start making money in RE.

    Bird-dogging is a "gateway drug" to real estate riches :-)

    That said, thanks for the help.
    Reid

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2009 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    16y

    This is a really great article! I have just started as a bird dog in my area and this will def help keep me focused. Thanks!

  • Investor · Washington, DC · Member since 2009 · 18 posts · 0 votes
    16y

    Thanks for posting this info for us bird dogs. I am a new investor and working with a mentor whom I am bird dogging for! Clearly you make more money wholesaling the deal for yourself, but without the background in the business it's not always clear on what to do next. As stated, the important piece is closing the deal. Bird dogging is a way to build cash reserves for those who don't have money saved. It's good to have some goals lined up because for me, I don't want to stay a bird dog forever! Again, great info. Thanks!

  • Real Estate Investor · Conway AR, AR · Member since 2008 · 15 posts · 0 votes
    16y

    Great article! A lot of questions got answered. I am just starting out and I really appreciate articles that go into the details. Keep the good stuff coming!

  • Real Estate Investor · Orangeburg, NY · Member since 2009 · 5 posts · 5 votes
    16y

    I learned what is birddog in real estate today. Thank you.

  • Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2009 · 42 posts · 4 votes
    16y

    Great and very useful information. Answered one of my questions i posted in another forum. Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences in such detail.

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