Should I use equity from my home for downpayment on first rental?

Should I use equity from my home for downpayment on first rental?

Long Beach, CA · Member since 2019 · 25 posts · 2 votes

I'm obviously a super newbie, just thinking through options to get started. My husband and I have a ton of equity in our home that could be a line of credit towards upgrades, however wondering about putting it towards a first investment property instead. Is that a terrible idea?? 

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Rental Property Investor · Toronto · Member since 2018 · 126 posts · 106 votes
7y

So basically what I did was refinance my personal house and I didn't know any better so I bought a single family home in a smaller town for cash.i didn't qualify for a second mortgage .   I built a legal duplex and rented it out. With the  left over money, I put a 20% dp on house number 3. I learned not to buy houses with cash from other investors I had recently met. Then with my job and 2 rented rental properties, I refinanced house number 2 and took 80% of the value out. Then I used that money for deposits to buy 2 condos and another house. And I just repeated that over and over. But as I met other more experienced investors, I sold my condos to buy cash flowing houses. 

I have done things differently than others here. Made a few mistakes along the way.  I was able to quit my job after a few houses. I never took the cash flow from my rentals, I instead use the money to pay for my personal house and all its expences so I live for free. I also had to quit my job because I bought 3 houses one summer and I couldn't renovate them and have a day job at the same time. It was alot of work, but as every year goes by it gets easier. 

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  • Long Beach, CA · Member since 2019 · 25 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    @Steven McCutcheon Thank you for your advice and have a fantastic 2019!

  • Burlington, NJ · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    @Amber Tippett I also chose the HELOC approach for starters. I bought a tiny primary residence some years ago which is paid off and was able to find a local lender to offer 100% LTV at prime +1%. In case you're looking for more than the standard 80% LTV HELOC, credit unions are more creative with what they are allowed to offer. E.g. there's no PMI payment on my HELOC. Eventually, I found a 2/1 w/ 1k sf for $47k in a neighboring town and are in the middle of a ~33k rehab. Once done, the ARV should be at least $110k which means we should be able to pull an extra $8k out of once we refi the rental with an 80% LTV loan leaving about $200-$250 cash flow/mo. That $8k can then be added to the budget for the next deal. Rinse and repeat until deals go from SFRs to commercial multi-families ;-)

  • Real Estate Appraiser · Isabella lake, CA · Member since 2018 · 628 posts · 491 votes
    7y

    @Amber Tippett

    Have you thought about 2-4 unit apts? Might be a way to go.

  • Long Beach, CA · Member since 2019 · 25 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    @Peter Schultes Thank you for the deets! Sounds like you have a great thing going. $47k is like a dream-A 2/1 1,000 sq SFH in my area is about $500k, haha! I'll be getting creative for sure. Best to you in all your ventures!

  • Long Beach, CA · Member since 2019 · 25 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    @Lee Bell Would love multi-family! Have you invested in the valley? I grew up in Canoga Park

  • Real Estate Agent · Lakewood, CA · Member since 2017 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    7y
    @Amber Tippett hi Amber, I live in your area and did my first brrr in the high desert area. Turned out great for me. What area are you considering?
  • Long Beach, CA · Member since 2019 · 25 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    @Justin Margedant Still definitely in research mode, but one thought is near my Property Manager Dad who I’d trust to handle it-he is based in Fillmore, so maybe west of there towards Santa Paula or east in and around Santa Clarita. You say high desert, like Lancaster area?

  • Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2016 · 349 posts · 418 votes
    7y

    @Amber Tippett

    If the numbers make sense, I highly recommend this strategy or variant (HELOC) depending on your circumstances.

    I've done cash-out refis on my primary rez several times to support buying rentals. This was when interest rates were going down. Then, with rising interest rates, I wised-up and for the last ~6 years, have used a HELOC as well as loans against my 401k for acquisitions.

    Good luck to you,

    Dave

  • Real Estate Agent · Lakewood, CA · Member since 2017 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    7y
    @Amber Tippett Awesome if you have your dad in the business. I do property management & real estate whi h gives an advantage for sure. But really now almost everything can be done mobile/out of the area. Collect rent online,find contractors and just about anything. My family has had a house at the river in needles, ca for the last 25 years and while there I noticed cheap properties. Soon as they announced the marajuanna business was coming to town I jumped in with my first brrrr. Bought for 85K in a nice area of town, rehabbed, refi with now almost 500/mo cash flow. For you it might be good to look for a cash flowing area by your dad! Good lucky!
  • Real Estate Appraiser · Isabella lake, CA · Member since 2018 · 628 posts · 491 votes
    7y

    @Amber Tippett

    We have a house in the Valley, and have watched prices go up and up the last few years.

    ATM we are sitting here clucking like chickens at the numbers, LOL.

  • Long Beach, CA · Member since 2019 · 25 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    @Dave G. Thank you for your input!

  • Long Beach, CA · Member since 2019 · 25 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    @Lee Bell Haha! It’s crazy right?? That’s what makes investing scary..our house more than doubled in value in the six years we’ve owned it but it foreclosed on the owners before us!

  • Rental Property Investor · Boise/Portland · Member since 2017 · 709 posts · 742 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Amber Tippett:

    I'm obviously a super newbie, just thinking through options to get started. My husband and I have a ton of equity in our home that could be a line of credit towards upgrades, however wondering about putting it towards a first investment property instead. Is that a terrible idea?? 

     Amber, as @David Steinbok wrote above, "...your rental is technically purchased with 100% borrowed money" if you use a HELOC for your downpayment.

    What are the numbers telling you?  I'm guessing with the primary loan and the HELOC you're probably at zero cashflow?

    If you can provide some numbers we can offer more advice.  Regardless, however, you need to have reserves in place.  

  • Long Beach, CA · Member since 2019 · 25 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    @Matthew McNeil Absolutely, thank you!

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