Am I Using The Best Approach? - Initial Funding

Am I Using The Best Approach? - Initial Funding

Flipper/Rehabber · Houston, TX · Member since 2016 · 77 posts · 19 votes

Hello Everyone, 

I'm hoping to get perspectives and suggestions on if I'm taking the correct approach to FINALLY beginning my REI journey. Or even someone to play devil's advocate and challenge me on something I may not be thinking about. Talking things through with other knowledgeable folks is always helpful! It's sort of a lot but I'll try to keep it as brief as possible.

Cash has always been an issue so I'm partnering up with a family member to get our fix-n-flip business ambitions off the ground. We've got our plans and agreements in order and are now making the steps towards actual formation and funding. My dilemma is that I want to be sure I am using the best approach to source my initial contributions to the business. I have about $6K in liquid cash available to me and I am planning on liquidating a combination of retirement accounts from my previous employers. The total of those is somewhere in the neighborhood of roughly $12.5K, so after the penalty and additional 10% withholding I'm assuming the actual payout will be approx $10K. So it's not a ton by any means but it's just what we need to get us over the hump to get going. My partner has $7.5K to contribute so we will have just under $25K to put to use. We will be in the Ohio market so with leverage this should be more than enough in some cases to get our first project(s) underway.

The reason I am considering liquidating the retirement accounts is because they have been underperforming. I might make 1-3% a year at best with the current setup, when I'm missing out on opportunities for potential returns of 35%+ in the markets I want to operate in. I believe it's worth taking the tax hit at the end of the year and paying the penalty to jumpstart things. I tried looking into alternatives like self-directed IRA's to avoid the penalty & taxes but it's extremely restricted, and it seems that the only purpose is to make money for the IRA. Which is a great thing by all means, but my ultimate goal is financial freedom NOW and in the future.

To give some other background information. I will not be completely liquidating all of my reserves. I am planning on remaining in my job full time and I actually have one of the better retirement setups I've ever had. My employer matches up tp 6%, and in working there just slightly over a year I've been able to amass just over what my aforementioned retirement accounts combined (approx $15k as of today). 

I know this topic has been brought up numerous times but I've scoured the forum and couldn't find anything similar to my situation. I just feel it's better to take the plunge now than for something else to impede my progress and never do anything. If anyone can offer any insight or opinion it is greatly appreciated.

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  • Lender · Playa del Carmen, México · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    Hi @Ryan Collins, and congrats on taking positive steps toward starting your REI journey!

    I hate to see anyone accept the harsh penalties and taxes that result from raiding a qualified retirement plan (QRP). And, to do so for such a relatively small amount is even more painful and unnecessary.

    If you are truly able to find great deals worthy of sacrificing your QRPs for, then I would urge you to consider wholesaling these deals instead. One or two decent wholesale deals could easily put $10K in your pocket.

    Meanwhile, it sounds like you already know you should roll your existing QRPs into a SDIRA, which you will eventually need when you shift your investment career into high gear with advanced strategies that will engage your "financial friends" with SDIRAs of their own. For now though, yes, let that SDIRA make as much money (tax-advantaged, of course) as possible!

    Your future self will thank you!

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Houston, TX · Member since 2016 · 77 posts · 19 votes
    7y
    Thanks for that response @Mitch Messer... So I had thought of doing something like that to kind of get the ball rolling. The problem I uncovered is that the concept of wholesaling in Ohio is illegal (bummer) unless I become an authorized agent. I live in Texas now but I’m nowhere as near connected down here as I am back home in Ohio. So, it could be a little harder for me to wheel and deal but you’re right it could be something worth looking into here since the rules are different.
  • Lender · Playa del Carmen, México · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Ryan Collins Don't be discouraged: First, get yourself absolute clarity about what is meant by the statement "the concept of wholesaling in Ohio is illegal." Here's a hint: contract assignment is not the only (nor the best) way to close a wholesale deal!

    At the very worst case, "wholesaling" by buying with cash (yours or a transactional funder's) from a seller and then selling to a cash-paying investor is 100% legal in Ohio and every other state in the U.S.A.

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