How to Get a Real Rate Lock on a DSCR Loan?

How to Get a Real Rate Lock on a DSCR Loan?

Real Estate Investor · Steamboat, CO · Member since 2010 · 295 posts · 34 votes

I"ve been shopping a DSCR and hearing odd things about rate locks.

So far I've been told things such as  I can lock "when I"m close to closing" or "after the appraisal is completed". The appraisal is supposed to be the slowest part of the process. 

I'm sure rates will not be down from those quoted up-front. Years ago I saw a line item on one of my settlement statements for a Yield Spread Premium, which I don't believe are legal anymore. There wasn't much question what had happned there. 

How can I get the actual rate I'm quoted at the time of commiting to the loan?

Thank you BP nation. 

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Stephanie P.Pro Member
Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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Quote from @Burt L.:

I"ve been shopping a DSCR and hearing odd things about rate locks.

So far I've been told things such as  I can lock "when I"m close to closing" or "after the appraisal is completed". The appraisal is supposed to be the slowest part of the process. 

I'm sure rates will not be down from those quoted up-front. Years ago I saw a line item on one of my settlement statements for a Yield Spread Premium, which I don't believe are legal anymore. There wasn't much question what had happned there. 

How can I get the actual rate I'm quoted at the time of commiting to the loan?

Thank you BP nation. 

This is a very volatile time for DSCR lenders and brokers and subsequently borrowers unfortunately and what  you've heard is correct; we have several of our lenders that are saying that either they can't lock the rate until the file is clear to close or they'll give a 30 day window to get the loan closed without being subject to repricing.  
BTW, yield spread premiums are alive and well and very legal.  They're used primarily to offset closing costs for borrowers that are tight on cash to close.

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  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Burt L.:

    I"ve been shopping a DSCR and hearing odd things about rate locks.

    So far I've been told things such as  I can lock "when I"m close to closing" or "after the appraisal is completed". The appraisal is supposed to be the slowest part of the process. 

    I'm sure rates will not be down from those quoted up-front. Years ago I saw a line item on one of my settlement statements for a Yield Spread Premium, which I don't believe are legal anymore. There wasn't much question what had happned there. 

    How can I get the actual rate I'm quoted at the time of commiting to the loan?

    Thank you BP nation. 

    This is a very volatile time for DSCR lenders and brokers and subsequently borrowers unfortunately and what  you've heard is correct; we have several of our lenders that are saying that either they can't lock the rate until the file is clear to close or they'll give a 30 day window to get the loan closed without being subject to repricing.  
    BTW, yield spread premiums are alive and well and very legal.  They're used primarily to offset closing costs for borrowers that are tight on cash to close.

  • Lender · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2016 · 68 posts · 18 votes
    4y

    Hi @Burt L. would be happy to connect on this - we lock our rates for 60 days at the very start of the process so there is no second guessing or re-trading at the end of the process. 

  • Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2019 · 435 posts · 248 votes
    4y

    @Burt L. We can lock our DSCR loans, but every lender is going to be a little different right now. If you need anything, let me know.

  • Lender · Member since 2020 · 331 posts · 209 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Burt L.:

    I"ve been shopping a DSCR and hearing odd things about rate locks.

    So far I've been told things such as  I can lock "when I"m close to closing" or "after the appraisal is completed". The appraisal is supposed to be the slowest part of the process. 

    I'm sure rates will not be down from those quoted up-front. Years ago I saw a line item on one of my settlement statements for a Yield Spread Premium, which I don't believe are legal anymore. There wasn't much question what had happned there. 

    How can I get the actual rate I'm quoted at the time of commiting to the loan?

    Thank you BP nation. 


    Every lender is different. Some don't allow locking until the appraisal comes back as you mentioned, although it seems like most are moving to allow locking up front.  Depending on the market, appraisals are coming back in 1-2 weeks. Turnarounds have been quicker recently as the market has softened. My understanding is the lenders that wait for appraisal are waiting on the 1007 to know what the ratio is.

  • Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 916 posts · 647 votes
    4y

    @Burt L. I support @Stephanie P. 's statement. Most of my lenders don't lock until CTC with a few locking after conditional loan approval. YSP is fully legal and compliant with all regulations. 

  • Lender · Los Angeles · Member since 2022 · 16 posts · 4 votes
    4y

    Current DSCR requirements with our lender (in-house products)-

    25% down if it cash flows - Interest Only is OK

    35% down if it only cash flows 50%+

    We lock your rate once you are in escrow.

    Good luck! 

  • Jared RineBusiness Member
    Lender · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 277 votes
    4y

    @Burt L...I responded to another of your posting of similar thread, but you should be working with a lender that can lock in rate at submission on 30, if not 45 days, and be able to easily close in that timeframe.  All the lenders I work with allow for locking at loan registration, so my clients don't lose ground on pricing.

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  • Real Estate Agent · NJ · Member since 2021 · 573 posts · 127 votes
    4y

    With today's market everything is crazy and each lender had different rate lock periods (some don't have any) that's a question to ask a lender, the only thing you can do is move as fast as possible. I would get title ordered ASAP the pay a few bucks extra for a rush on the appraisal. Get all other docs into lender. Before everything went crazy we had 30 day lock from accepting terms, no more!

  • Erik EstradaBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 6k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Burt L.:

    I"ve been shopping a DSCR and hearing odd things about rate locks.

    So far I've been told things such as  I can lock "when I"m close to closing" or "after the appraisal is completed". The appraisal is supposed to be the slowest part of the process. 

    I'm sure rates will not be down from those quoted up-front. Years ago I saw a line item on one of my settlement statements for a Yield Spread Premium, which I don't believe are legal anymore. There wasn't much question what had happned there. 

    How can I get the actual rate I'm quoted at the time of commiting to the loan?

    Thank you BP nation. 


     It depends on the lender. Some lock it when you order the appraisal, others do it when you are under contract, and most do it once you have the CTC. 

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  • Eric GoldmanBusiness Member
    Lender · PA · Member since 2019 · 359 posts · 192 votes
    3y

    usually rate is locked when the full package is submitted. some lenders are locking at the start... but generally not the best rates... 

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  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2021 · 9k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    3y

    I wouldn't lock in a rate right now. Rates are cooling off and expected to drop 

  • Lender · NJ · Member since 2022 · 129 posts · 18 votes
    3y

    The best thing to do is ask the lender about their specific process. I'm always transparent with my clients about rate locks, credit checks, etc. because I know the timing of such things is important! For many lenders this depends on the property and borrower... That's why it's important In my opinion to not jump from one funding source to the next because the process may be quite different at each.. 

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