Shall I use him as a buyer agent?

Shall I use him as a buyer agent?

Member since 2025 · 316 posts · 119 votes

First off, really appreciate BP. I got into real estate about a year ago, and now I’m up to 4 rental properties already. Learned a ton from this community.

I have a question though, especially for other investor-agents here.

I’m an agent myself, and recently another agent I’ve worked with before told me he could send me some off-market opportunities, which is why I agreed to let him send me deals.

But in reality, most of the deals he sends are either:
- already active on MLS under his brokerage
- or properties his brokerage is about to list publicly on MLS

From a relationship standpoint, I feel weird buying something he sent me and then not using him as the buyer's agent. At the same time though, I also don't really feel like I'm getting much actual advantage, because I check MLS constantly already and probably would've seen the listings anyway.

And honestly, on a lot of deals, if I give up the buyer-side commission, the numbers stop working for me.

I even asked him twice whether there was any flexibility on giving me some rebate if I used him, since I’m an agent myself. Both times he basically just ignored that part of the conversation and replied to everything else. 

So my real question is: how would you handle this relationship going forward? Is this type of relationship actually valuable long term?

I don’t want to burn bridges or act unethical, but I also don’t want to feel obligated to give up every buyer-side commission on deals that are basically public anyway.

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Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
4mo

I would tell him to only send you the off market deals HE PROMISED/PROMOTED. 

"As an agent (I assume licensed in that market.) I can't pay you any commission on MLS listed deals where I'm going to represent myself. I don't want any confusion when I buy one, so please refrain from sending me any more properties listed on the MLS. I'd still love to see those off market properties you have for sale. And I'd be happy to pay you full commission on those…. Thank you and please keep in touch…"

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  • Josh YoungPro Member
    Rental Property Investor / REALTOR® / Property Manager · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2023 · 384 posts · 421 votes
    4mo

    @Ying Tang

    Great job getting started, 4 in your first year is impressive! It sounds like you are doing the right thing trying to have honest open communication, that’s very important! I think you should just follow up with him again and be very direct, if he avoids the question again then you know where the relationship stands, his level of honest open communication might not be on the same level as yours.

    Keep up the great work!

  • Realtor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 215 posts · 99 votes
    4mo

    You are the client in this relationship, but it sounds like you are doing all the due diligence. Other than listings, does he have unique market insights or connections? It sounds like he doesn't provide much value for the commission you would pay him. Maybe you could do 25% of your commission for bringing you a deal.

    • Member since 2025 · 316 posts · 119 votes
      4mo

      @JooYung Choi thanks for the input! Clearly he thinks he's worth a lot more than 25%...maybe I should make it clear that he should stop sending me listings from mls, but I would value and use him as an agent for any off market deals?

  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    4mo

    I think if he can get you an off market deal, then use him; otherwise tell him you are already searching MLS. If you are an agent, you will have set yourself up for automatic alerts when places are listed that met your specifications.

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    4mo

    I would tell him to only send you the off market deals HE PROMISED/PROMOTED. 

    "As an agent (I assume licensed in that market.) I can't pay you any commission on MLS listed deals where I'm going to represent myself. I don't want any confusion when I buy one, so please refrain from sending me any more properties listed on the MLS. I'd still love to see those off market properties you have for sale. And I'd be happy to pay you full commission on those…. Thank you and please keep in touch…"

    • Member since 2025 · 316 posts · 119 votes
      4mo

      @Bill B. Make sense. Thank you!

    • Member since 2025 · 316 posts · 119 votes
      4mo

      @Bill B. What about deals that will be listed by his brokerage, but hasn't? Is it an advantage to see deals before it hit the market and maybe they'll forgo listing?

    • Seth McGatheyBusiness Member
      Real Estate Agent · Milwaukee WI · Member since 2024 · 318 posts · 251 votes
      4mo

      @Ying Tang there is a difference between a premarket property and an about to be listed property. I think it is rare that if a property is about to go live within the week and is just getting pictures done and listing filled out, then not worth it. There is essentially no reason for them to stop the listing at that point and it might as well be on the market. But if an agent sends me a property of a client who is considering going to market/testing the waters to see if their price is reasonable or wants to avoid the headache of listing, then that I would consider a true off market deal and valuable. 

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    • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
      4mo
      Quote from @Ying Tang:

      @Bill B. What about deals that will be listed by his brokerage, but hasn't? Is it an advantage to see deals before it hit the market and maybe they'll forgo listing?


      I don't think that is an advantage, the first 3 days are the most competitive ones. I think you just have a little off-market deal FOMO, but more often than not, its not worth it. As soon as a brokerage is involved it's not really off market anymore.

      You will have much better success going after expireds. They have been humbled by the market, are motivated and you already get at least 6% discount before you even start negotiating. (Don't forget to disclose your license)

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    4mo

    That's a questionable one. How long are they allowed to market them before listing on the MLS under the current lawsuit agreement? Would it be in their clients best interest to take an offer from you before listing? (I believe they are required to act a fiduciaries?)

    If it will give you 2+ days then I would consider it an “off market deal” for those 2 days.  But if any offer, even a full price one will just be “considered while we list it.”   or “We’re collecting offers for 3-5 days.” That’s worth nothing.  

    I guess you could just say. Of the property is on the MLS when I make my offer I. Going to represent myself. No hard feelings.

  • Lender · Nairobi · Member since 2026 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    4mo

    I Just want to encourage you to keep up

  • Patrick O'SullivanBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2024 · 523 posts · 196 votes
    4mo

    I also wouldn’t burn the relationship. Relationships matter long term, and sometimes agents do eventually bring real opportunities once trust is established.

    I'd probably set a very clear boundary going forward. If it's a true off-market or exclusive pre-market opportunity where you genuinely get an advantage, you're happy to work with him. If it's already active on MLS (or essentially just a coming-soon listing), you'll represent yourself. That keeps things professional and transparent instead of awkward.

    Also, the fact that he avoided the rebate/compensation conversation twice is informative by itself. Nothing wrong with that on his end, but it tells you how he views the relationship commercially.

    One thing Bill mentioned that I agree with: pre-MLS only has value if you can actually secure the property before broad exposure. If the seller is still planning a full market launch regardless, then seeing it 24 hours early may not really justify paying a full commission.

    You can appreciate the relationship without feeling financially obligated on every deal.

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  • Member since 2025 · 316 posts · 119 votes
    4mo

    @Marnit Brown ..are you AI?

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    4mo

    @Marnit Brown you should be embarrassed.

  • Investor · Hendersonville, NC · Member since 2016 · 498 posts · 285 votes
    4mo
    Quote from @Ying Tang:

    First off, really appreciate BP. I got into real estate about a year ago, and now I’m up to 4 rental properties already. Learned a ton from this community.

    I have a question though, especially for other investor-agents here.

    I’m an agent myself, and recently another agent I’ve worked with before told me he could send me some off-market opportunities, which is why I agreed to let him send me deals.

    But in reality, most of the deals he sends are either:
    - already active on MLS under his brokerage
    - or properties his brokerage is about to list publicly on MLS

    From a relationship standpoint, I feel weird buying something he sent me and then not using him as the buyer's agent. At the same time though, I also don't really feel like I'm getting much actual advantage, because I check MLS constantly already and probably would've seen the listings anyway.

    And honestly, on a lot of deals, if I give up the buyer-side commission, the numbers stop working for me.

    I even asked him twice whether there was any flexibility on giving me some rebate if I used him, since I’m an agent myself. Both times he basically just ignored that part of the conversation and replied to everything else. 

    So my real question is: how would you handle this relationship going forward? Is this type of relationship actually valuable long term?

    I don’t want to burn bridges or act unethical, but I also don’t want to feel obligated to give up every buyer-side commission on deals that are basically public anyway.


    I think Marcus nailed it with the off-market FOMO point.

    If it's already going through a brokerage and about to hit MLS, I wouldn't treat that as a real advantage unless you can actually get it tied up before broad exposure. Otherwise you're basically paying for early notice on something you probably would have seen anyway.

  • Investor · Louisville, KY · Member since 2017 · 92 posts · 38 votes
    4mo

    Congrats on the early success and venture into investing Ying! I am finishing up obtaining my license here in Kentucky and am looking forward to officially becoming an investor-realtor myself!

    I don't think it would harm the relationship by reaching out and asking for further clarity of the service he is providing. Perhaps he thought that you didn't even have the time or interest in looking at publicly listed properties. Right now, it doesn't seem like he's providing my value to you at all and it's worth addressing.

    Like most relationships in life, it may just come down to miscommunication and providing one another with further clarity. Good luck!

  • Jacob CamhiBusiness Member
    Hinton, WV · Member since 2026 · 131 posts · 40 votes
    4mo

    Nice job getting to 4 rentals that fast. That is awesome.

    I think your instincts are probably right here. If most of what they are sending is already on MLS or about to hit MLS, then it makes sense that you are questioning how much real value is being added, especially since you are already watching the market closely yourself. And if giving up the buyer side commission makes the deal stop working, that is a pretty big deal.

    I do not think you need to feel guilty about that. You can appreciate that they are thinking of you without feeling obligated to use them on every property they send over. To me, the bigger issue is that you brought up the rebate or flexibility question more than once and they kind of sidestepped it. Usually when a relationship is truly mutually beneficial, those conversations are a lot more direct.

    If it were me, I would stay friendly, keep the door open, and just mentally reclassify the relationship. Maybe they are a useful source of leads sometimes, but not necessarily someone you owe the buyer side of every deal to. If they start bringing you true off market opportunities or something with real pricing advantage, that is a different story. But if it is mostly MLS inventory you would have seen anyway, I would not force the relationship to be more valuable than it actually is.

    Clear relationships tend to be the best ones long term. If this one keeps making you feel weird, that is probably telling you something useful.

  • Shiloh LundahlPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    4mo

    @Ying Tang it's nice to meet you. I'm also in the Phoenix area. In the East Valley, Mesa area. 

    Of the 4 properties that you have purchased, what are the numbers? How much equity are you walking in to? 

    The concern that you have may be focusing on the wrong thing. If he is sending you deals that are only slightly below market value then they may not be very good deals compared to what is out there and you may be focused on trying to not offend someone whom it may not be worth doing business with. 

    If he brings you a good deal that you couldn't get yourself, and the numbers are really good, and they work for you, and you couldn't get the deal without him, then definitely get the deal through him. If you have access to get the deal cheaper, then get it cheaper. There is no need to go through him if you have access to get the deal cheaper. He is not adding value and people get paid for the value that they bring. If he gets upset, then he doesn't understand that concept.

    I get about 100 "deals" sent to me every day. The truth is, most of them are not deals for me. I don't feel obligated to buy from any one person. When people ask me if they can send me deals, I tell them "Sure, and if it is a good deal then I will buy it from you. If it isn't a good deal for me then I probably won't respond."

    Numbers first, relationships second. If someone is trying to get you to buy something because it benefits them more than it benefits you, and they are trying to use the relationship to persuade you or manipulate you into buying it, then it is a lopsided relationship and may not be worth having. In all business relationships, it is important that we both benefit from the transaction. If one person benefits and the other does not, or benefits only a little, then it is lopsided and not worth keeping that relationship. 

    • Member since 2025 · 316 posts · 119 votes
      4mo

      @Shiloh Lundahl Nice to meet you too! I’m also focused on the Mesa area haha.

      I mainly buy and hold. Since my strategy is long-term, I’m generally okay buying as long as the property at least cash flows a little. So honestly, I wouldn’t say I’m walking into a ton of equity on these deals.

      As for the 4 properties:
      - One is cash flowing about $600/month.
      - One has been underperforming because the property manager is a friend, and he let a tenant stay for 4 months without paying based on empty promises.
      - Another is currently negative cash flow because I inherited tenants paying way below market rent ($500–700/month). It should cash flow once those leases expire.
      - The last one was a value-add play, and I expect it to cash flow around $1,000/month once fully rented.

      I’ve also tried Facebook groups and wholesalers, but so far I haven’t had much success finding true off-market deals....

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