Need advise on buying seller financed wholesale deal

Need advise on buying seller financed wholesale deal

Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 42 posts · 10 votes

Hey BP,

I am considering a deal on an 8 unit property in the Seattle area brought to me by a wholesaler. This is my first deal and it seems a bit complicated to me.

The seller wants to do seller financing with the first 7 years interest only payments and one balloon payment in year 5. The wholesaler wants a 3% percent finders fee.

Is 3% an average finders fee for the Seattle area?

Is a seller financed deal complicated enough for me to need to get help from a broker or can I handle this myself?

Are there any gotcha's I should look out for when dealing with seller financed deals?

Thanks for the help!

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Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
10y

On larger dollar transactions I engineer, by finder's fee is closer to 1.5%.  3% sounds high to me.  It also sounds like a commission!

Be hard to do the last 2 years of your 7 year interest only with a 5-yr balloon.  The balloons are fairly common I have found, just not the payments extending past it.  

Here in WA, you'll want a Note and Deed of Trust as the buyer.  A Real Estate Contract will be easier for the seller to get you off if you default.  Those are the 2 main mediums of seller financing here.

What would make you want a property way up in WA @Yohannes Kifle?  King county has some crazy landlord-tenant laws you should familiarize yourself with.  Good luck!

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  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    10y

    On larger dollar transactions I engineer, by finder's fee is closer to 1.5%.  3% sounds high to me.  It also sounds like a commission!

    Be hard to do the last 2 years of your 7 year interest only with a 5-yr balloon.  The balloons are fairly common I have found, just not the payments extending past it.  

    Here in WA, you'll want a Note and Deed of Trust as the buyer.  A Real Estate Contract will be easier for the seller to get you off if you default.  Those are the 2 main mediums of seller financing here.

    What would make you want a property way up in WA @Yohannes Kifle?  King county has some crazy landlord-tenant laws you should familiarize yourself with.  Good luck!

  • Real Estate Broker · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 427 votes
    10y

    3% finder fee is equal to one side of a brokerage commission for an on-market commission.  Typically seller financing paperwork can be prepared by escrow officers.  You can also choose to have an attorney review the documents.  

    I am a real estate broker and investor based in Seattle - let me know if you have any questions I can help answer as well. 

    Best of luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 42 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    Thanks @Steve Vaughan and @Adrian Chu for the advice. I'll definitely read up on the tenant laws in the area. I'm currently in the San Francisco area where there are truly crazy landlord-tenant laws which is one reason I chose not to invest locally. I'm pretty sure they will use a Note and Deed of Trust because the wholesaler told me that the seller expects me to refinance after the 7 years and from my understanding you can only do that with a Deed of Trust, not a Real Estate Contract. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

    I think I'll have a lawyer review the documents to be on the safe side.

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    10y

    Yes, read up on those King County and city of Seattle exceptions @Yohannes Kifle.  In the WA LL/tenant law - they have specific mentions -'EXCEPT in (King/Seattle)....  where you have to show cause to give a 20-day notice' for example.  Inspections, too.  No thanks.  You have the whole country as your oyster once you decide to invest out of state.  

    Of course you can refinance a Real Estate Contract.  But I thought you only had five years with the balloon?  Refinancing at 7 will do you no good.  You or the wholesaler or both need to realize that.  You do not have a 7-yr deal if you also have a 5-yr balloon! 

    A Note and DofT is better for you as a buyer as I mentioned before.   The financing is only one portion of the deal, of course.  Much other DD is needed as I'm sure you know. 

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 42 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    Oh sorry @Steve Vaughan. I guess I didn't specify that the balloon payment in the fifth year would only be for 5% of the purchase price, not the full principal. I'm not sure why the seller wants to structure it this way. I was told he wants to retire so I'm guessing maybe this structure benefits him tax wise.

    Is there a good resource I can use to read up on seller financing? I guess I still don't really get what a Real Estate Contract is. When I was reading up on seller financing I only read about Land Contracts, Note and Mortgages, and Lease Purchase Agreements. Is "Real Estate Contract" another name for one of these?

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    10y

    A WA RE Contract is similar to a land contract, but the buyer has title while making payments. Hopefully the seller's preferred method is a note and d of t.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 42 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    Just a quick update if anyone is interested. Another buyer offered to buy the property sight unseen so the wholesaler assigned the contract to that buyer. I think I need more experience before I can buy places sight unseen. Does anyone have any advise on what I could have done differently to get the deal? Or is "sight unseen" the magic words that trumps everything?

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