Looks like I am joining the sub30 club. Everyone cringe.

Looks like I am joining the sub30 club. Everyone cringe.

Investor · Pawleys Island, SC · Member since 2015 · 324 posts · 385 votes

After over a year long hiatus, I back at it.  My excuse, surprised and blessed with twins.

New investors look away; experienced investors have a strong drink for me.  I'm looking into buying a second sub $30k condo.  I purchased a 2/1 for $18k a few years back.   

I am looking to buy a $20k 3/2 in Columbia, SC. The condo itself appears to be in good condition. The owner is selling due to an appearant seller financing deal cautionary tale. I heard this from another unit's property manager, so I am a little fuzzy on the details, but basically, the owner financed to the former tenant. He had to foreclose on the purchaser. The HOA then tries to foreclose on him as the dues were apparently years in arrears. After legal fees, back HOA fees and property taxes, he just wants out. To add insult to injury, the HOA apparently foreclosed on 4 units which is driving down his selling price.

Based on a local property manager, similar units rent for $850 per month.

Anyway, my biggest concern is the HOA. They changed HOA management after several years of poor management. I want to check their financials before officially pulling the trigger.

I'm in South Carolina, so appreciation is not a major factor.  The condo is a C+ building in that it is older (1974) but in a desirable location. The area has gotten better around it.

I also have 3 single family homes in desirable locations that help spread the risk.

Other red flags?

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Rental Property Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2015 · 19 posts · 20 votes
9y

All the things you mentioned are points of due diligence, but not hard stops.  850/mo seems on the high side for Columbia for a C- apartment, but possible. 

If it were me...

1) Gotta get the actual HOA story. Feel them out quantitatively and qualitatively. Bad HOA is a nightmare. Talk to the HOA. Are assessments going up/down. Deferred maintenance in the property? Find another owner or two and talk to them. An independent PM works too. Read the public foreclosure filings. Talk to an attorney who worked against the HOA.

2) Hard diligence on the rent # and HOA dues #. Section 8-able?

Other than that, could be a strong deal. The acquisition story seems reasonable enough. 

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  • Rental Property Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2015 · 19 posts · 20 votes
    9y

    All the things you mentioned are points of due diligence, but not hard stops.  850/mo seems on the high side for Columbia for a C- apartment, but possible. 

    If it were me...

    1) Gotta get the actual HOA story. Feel them out quantitatively and qualitatively. Bad HOA is a nightmare. Talk to the HOA. Are assessments going up/down. Deferred maintenance in the property? Find another owner or two and talk to them. An independent PM works too. Read the public foreclosure filings. Talk to an attorney who worked against the HOA.

    2) Hard diligence on the rent # and HOA dues #. Section 8-able?

    Other than that, could be a strong deal. The acquisition story seems reasonable enough. 

  • Investor · Lexington, SC · Member since 2014 · 103 posts · 28 votes
    9y

    I invest primarily in SFR in the Lexington and West Columbia areas, but have drifted into Columbia from time to time. I recently looked at an apartment building and everything about the deal looked stellar except the HOA seemed a little suspicious (high monthly fees and very poor upkeep). This particular property was listed and the listing agent was able to get me copies of the HOA budget and that ultimately was was dissuaded me from buying. Hopefully yours is fine but I would probably request a copy of their budget for the last 2 years. Good luck!!

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    you can look at it two ways.. wonky HOA's are trouble and it can be hard to sell going forward..

    or your paying next to nothing for it so who cares... the tenant does not care... so long as the basics are taken care off your ok since your ONLY buying it for cash flow..

  • Real Estate Investor · Arlington, VA · Member since 2012 · 302 posts · 277 votes
    9y

    A bad HOA is just asking for it. I have a decent HOA with my condo rental and I had to literally ask permission to rent it (they were trying to restrict it). They have a lot of power, and it sounds like they are very quick to foreclose.

    I wouldnt just take any deal though (i dont prefer HOAs in general, let alone an aggressive at times, poorly managed at other times), but definitely this will be the sticking point for you, and what actual rents are. Good luck. 

  • Real estate investor · Las Vegas · Member since 2013 · 798 posts · 171 votes
    9y

    HOA is only one factor. I would and have purchased places like that and they are among my favorites. There are some pluses in whatever the HOA brings to the table, if anything. At under 30k and getting $850, you already start ahead of the game. I would never just exclude a property solely on it having a HOA (not saying a bad or expensive one isn't a show stopper).

  • Real Estate Broker · Columbia, SC · Member since 2015 · 148 posts · 110 votes
    9y

    Arborwood?

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