First Deal Jitters with an out of state Realtor

First Deal Jitters with an out of state Realtor

Flipper/Rehabber · San Jose, CA · Member since 2019 · 6 posts · 1 vote

First let me start by saying how excited I am to be a part of BiggerPockets. What an amazing platform and marketplace to help new investors understand real estate. The $390 to be a Pro member is worth every cent just for the information and tools.

So here’s the deal:

I found a couple of off market properties out of state owned by the same person, who is a motivated seller. I analyzed said properties with criteria my mentor and I set up, as well as all the information I could soak up from the BiggerPockets community, and found that both properties could be positive and came up with a number I could offer for them.

The first property is a manufactured home with an un-permitted addition that I will probably never be able to sell. However it is a safe harbor home run by a pasture who takes people in who have jobs and need help getting back on there feet. Because it meets the 2% rule and I have a passion for helping people who help themselves I think it will be ok to buy and hold this property. Who knows, when I become successful at real estate maybe I will gift it to the pasture so he can continue with his passion.

The second property is a much better deal. The only problem I see is that it is currently occupied by tenants and I would like the property to be delivered vacant. It’s a fix and flip that meets all my criteria and when I put together a stellar team in that area I know it will be profitable.

The Team:

I’m currently working on putting my team together and here’s where my inexperience makes me nervous. Because the properties are out of state I’m using Zillow, Redfin, Craigslist, and Yelp to analyze what real estate agent is best for me. I put my top ten list together and and sent some emails to see who has experience with real estate investors and fix and flips.

One in particular grabbed my attention and I contacted him. We spoke and I explained the situation. I also informed him that I would not be coming to look at the property and I would like to have very good documentation of what the current state of the property is. He was very understanding and said positive things about the area. He is willing to look at the property and help come up with a good ARV. I felt comfortable enough to give him the address and gave him the property managers info to schedule a walkthrough to establish how much construction we need to do.

The Dilemma:

After all this transpired my excitement was through the roof. The potential to make a little money and help some people out has really lifted my spirits (I was just in a serious car accident and it’s been dragging me down a bit.). I reached out to my mentor started to explain the details and cautiously excited for me here was his response:

“Realtors can f#%k up deals too. If a realtor goes to the seller and tells them the property is worth xxx even if it’s not, just to get the seller excited so they list with them”.

Naturally I became nervous after that statement.

My Question:

I guess the obvious question is:

Did I make a mistake?

And I know that question can only be answered with speculation until all the events transpire.

My second question for the BiggerPockets community is:

In the future when dealing with these situations how do I protect my deal when I have to give pertinent information to people who I can only guess if there intent is honorable?

Is there a strategy to protect the deal but also get the information you need without going to the property? An NDA maybe?

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Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
7y

Buying site unseen and trusting a strangers opinion on the property is a recipe for disaster

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  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    7y

    Buying site unseen and trusting a strangers opinion on the property is a recipe for disaster

  • Flipper/Rehabber · San Jose, CA · Member since 2019 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Russell Brazil thank you for your input Russell!!!! You were one of the first people I followed and I respect your opinion and insight. However I just finished reading David Greene’s book Long-Distance Real Estate Investing and it has motivated me to look into other areas to try to find better deals that are in my price range.

    After your comment I may take a trip to look at the property myself. Sight unseen may be a little to risky for someone with my experience.

    Can you recommend a strategy that may help me be successful in this area or do you know anyone that has been successful in this area that may have more knowledge of this situation in particular?

    Thank you again for commenting.

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    7y

    @John Webb

    I have a lot of respect for Mr Greene, I however think the strategy he advocates will be a disaster for most people that try to implement it. Someone like him who probably makes $500k to a million per year Id guess is able to take on that kind of risk. The every day person reading his book, are not in the same financial position he is.

    Btw, Ive invested multiple times out of my own market, but for me if a deal goes south, its not a big deal because I can just throw money at it. Id still never buy site unseen. I visited those properties Ive purchased. Everyones view of a property is different. Someone else might view it as perfectly fine, and you view it as falling down. The condition of housing stock varies drastically throughout the country, and it nay be perfectly fine compared to others in that market, but much worse condition than what you are used to.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · San Jose, CA · Member since 2019 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Russell Brazil, got it thank you Russell for the advice. I’m going to re-evaluate the deal and definitely make a trip to look at both properties. I know the seller personally and this is why I want to make the deal work however I’m starting to learn that I shouldn’t take everything at face value.

    If I get out there and I like what I see and the realtor is not reliable would you be able to recommend anyone in the Tampa, FL area that may be able to help on this journey.

    Again Russell I really appreciate your input.

  • Rental Property Investor · Brooke Park Drive · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    The site is called BiggerPockets not EmptyPockets which is what this mess will get you.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · San Jose, CA · Member since 2019 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Michael P. Lol that seems to be the general consensus.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

    @John Webb

    I have a lot of respect for Mr Greene, I however think the strategy he advocates will be a disaster for most people that try to implement it. Someone like him who probably makes $500k to a million per year Id guess is able to take on that kind of risk. The every day person reading his book, are not in the same financial position he is.

    Btw, Ive invested multiple times out of my own market, but for me if a deal goes south, its not a big deal because I can just throw money at it. Id still never buy site unseen. I visited those properties Ive purchased. Everyones view of a property is different. Someone else might view it as perfectly fine, and you view it as falling down. The condition of housing stock varies drastically throughout the country, and it nay be perfectly fine compared to others in that market, but much worse condition than what you are used to.

    totally agree with you when that book came out I said UT oh going to be a lot of very sad peeps that have zero experience and for their first deals try long distance rehab.. which is even tougher than long distance landlording.  LOL..  And Like you I understand and respect a high volume high producing agent i mean I was one at one time. But what he can do and what the average person can do is so far apart ..

    and to do one off rehab and expect an agent to baby sit that when they sell you one 50k property .. nope now if your going into a market and are going to do 10 to 20 a year I can see how you can get an agent to jump for you.. 

    Not that it cant be done in theory but theory and books are not reality on the ground..

  • Flipper/Rehabber · San Jose, CA · Member since 2019 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Jay Hinrichs thank you for replying I really appreciate your input.

    I definitely see that I was a little aggressive in thinking that I could do this with little to no experience. Although I have taken in a lot of information from books, blogs, personal friends and the BiggerPockets podcasts there is no replacement for real world experience. I am glad I posted this before I made an offer.

    Also I do agree that I can’t expect an agent to “babysit” my project for nothing that would be very selfish of me. I know the value of time and I believe that anyone with experience deserves there time to be compensated. I would not work for free.

    Jay being in that field before would there be a percentage amount that would make it worth it to an agent to take on a project such as this? And what would be a way to assure the agent that if he/she brings me viable deals in the future that I can profit from I will purchase them and make it profitable for both of us? I know I will not do 10 or 20 deals this year but in 2-5 years after the market takes a turn that may be a viable goal.

    Also what if these are profitable deals? I tend to be a very analytical person and I made sure I was very meticulous when I inputed the values into the BiggerPockets calculators. The information I did not understand I took the time to do extensive research to make sure those values were correct.

    The rental property after all monthly expenses has a monthly cash flow of more than $600 and cash on cash ROI of 33%. And I was conservative on my expenses. Vacancy:15%, CapEx:5%, P&I:14%, Repairs:7%, Insurance:7%, property taxes:4%, and no property management fees because the pm lives on the property for free.

    The Flip is just as inviting. Again I was very meticulous with my numbers and made sure I based all values on a worse case scenario. I also know the owner personally. What would be an alternative to me owning or flipping these properties? After all my research and looking for deals these past few months these feel like good deals. Should I try Wholesaling?

    Thank you again @JayHinrichs and @RussellBrazil I feel like I just a got a free seminar: What Not To Do In Long Distance Real Estate. Russell I've never been to MD but I often go to Northern VA to visit friends. Id love to buy you lunch and look at potential opportunities In the Rockville area. And Jay my buddy lives near Canyon Gate, the next time I'm in Vegas If you'd allow it I'd like to buy you lunch.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y

    I think property managers are probably better fit for rehab than most RE agents that are busy doing transactions.

    but really a GREAT GC is the name of the game.

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