$300k US Virgin Islands house for Air BnB? Vacancy rate?

$300k US Virgin Islands house for Air BnB? Vacancy rate?

Member since 2018 · 125 posts · 21 votes

Found a house in st. Croix US Virgin Islands which is centrally located so not beachfront. It's in a private neighborhood. Simple single family single floor house. Sinking to spend 300000 on the house and then invest 20000 to update it since the house hasn't been updated in over 20 years.

my concern is it seems difficult to get much data on things on a small island. A lot of stuff doesn't seem to be online. So I'm concerned about getting the house and having a lot of vacancies.

also if I have two co-signers on the mortgage would I still have to pay 20 to 25% down since it's not a primary residence? One of the co-signers is a veteran. We only have thirty thousand for down payment on this particular property.

what are your thoughts in general about investment properties in the Caribbean which are not beachfront properties. I realized the beach is going to be 5 minutes away from pretty much anywhere on the island but it's not the same thing as waking up to waves in your backyard.

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Real Estate Broker · St. Thomas, USVI · Member since 2019 · 33 posts · 26 votes
6y

I'm not experienced with STX, but live on STT and have evaluated a number of properties in STT and STJ.  The STRs almost never pencil out assuming you want them to cash flow.  A few points to consider:
-airdna had some data for my zip code - 00802, it might be worth purchasing one month for STX ** caveat upon trying to validate some of the STR number, I found a number of data points were way off - USE CAUTION

-The only units I know that do better than break even are self managed and require over 75% occupancy to do so.  Hurricane season is May - Nov and slow season is Aug - Oct.  It is very difficult to achieve that kind of occupancy

-Hurricane insurance is 1.5 - 2% of the total home value per year... its expensive

-Electricity is currently $0.43/KWh - I think that's ~$0.10 higher than Hawaii.  Guests will consume loads of power, so solar may be a shrewd investment.  The payback period is very good given our high cost of power.  The power company and grid is a mess - outages are frequent, so you will want some type of backup for guests.  For reference a 1 bdrm condo power bill will run ~$350/mo in winter, higher in summer.  Larger villas can see $3k/mo for power.

-Our property taxes are exceptionally low :)

-Mortgage rates are about 1 point higher than the mainland.  My understanding is that anything with more than one kitchen will be treated as investment and require 25% down.

-STX does not have the tourist volume as STT or STJ, fewer flights, fewer ships, everything

-It will take a long time to do $200K of rehab - its on island time.  Everything must be imported

-Maintenance is never ending, the salt air, tropical sun, humidity, and power surges can do a number on the property.  Significant capital reserves required.

I do not want to discourage you but simply share some of the things I have learned about living/investing in the VI.  Feel free to PM me if you would like to connect.

Best,

Jeff

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  • Member since 2010 · 210 posts · 158 votes
    6y

    An air bnb doesnt have to be on a beach to do well in stx. what per night price range are you shooting for? How familiar are you with st croix? are you living there?  At the moment vacancy rates are low due to the refinery reopening and other economic factors.

    You said it needs 200K of work.   It will be difficult o finance a house that isn't livable.   I don't know how familiar you are with the area but construction cost and timelines maybe different to what you are used to.

  • Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 504 posts · 217 votes
    6y

    I love the idea, even not beach front. 300k might be a little high though. Materials and rehabbing costs a little more and may take longer there, you know all has to be shipped in...Do you atleast have a water view from the house? My husband was born there, we hope to retire there airbnb style as well.

  • Real Estate Broker · St. Thomas, USVI · Member since 2019 · 33 posts · 26 votes
    6y

    I'm not experienced with STX, but live on STT and have evaluated a number of properties in STT and STJ.  The STRs almost never pencil out assuming you want them to cash flow.  A few points to consider:
    -airdna had some data for my zip code - 00802, it might be worth purchasing one month for STX ** caveat upon trying to validate some of the STR number, I found a number of data points were way off - USE CAUTION

    -The only units I know that do better than break even are self managed and require over 75% occupancy to do so.  Hurricane season is May - Nov and slow season is Aug - Oct.  It is very difficult to achieve that kind of occupancy

    -Hurricane insurance is 1.5 - 2% of the total home value per year... its expensive

    -Electricity is currently $0.43/KWh - I think that's ~$0.10 higher than Hawaii.  Guests will consume loads of power, so solar may be a shrewd investment.  The payback period is very good given our high cost of power.  The power company and grid is a mess - outages are frequent, so you will want some type of backup for guests.  For reference a 1 bdrm condo power bill will run ~$350/mo in winter, higher in summer.  Larger villas can see $3k/mo for power.

    -Our property taxes are exceptionally low :)

    -Mortgage rates are about 1 point higher than the mainland.  My understanding is that anything with more than one kitchen will be treated as investment and require 25% down.

    -STX does not have the tourist volume as STT or STJ, fewer flights, fewer ships, everything

    -It will take a long time to do $200K of rehab - its on island time.  Everything must be imported

    -Maintenance is never ending, the salt air, tropical sun, humidity, and power surges can do a number on the property.  Significant capital reserves required.

    I do not want to discourage you but simply share some of the things I have learned about living/investing in the VI.  Feel free to PM me if you would like to connect.

    Best,

    Jeff

  • Member since 2018 · 125 posts · 21 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Dell J.:

    An air bnb doesnt have to be on a beach to do well in stx. what per night price range are you shooting for? How familiar are you with st croix? are you living there?  At the moment vacancy rates are low due to the refinery reopening and other economic factors.

    You said it needs 200K of work.   It will be difficult o finance a house that isn't livable.   I don't know how familiar you are with the area but construction cost and timelines maybe different to what you are used to.

     I grew up there! :)

    $20k, not $200k. It's move in ready, just has not been updated since the early 90s. Also guest toilet is prone to clogging.

    I know about refinery activity but how does that help air bnb? They need long term rentals no? Why would they be interested in renting for less than 30 days? I was thinking only long term rental would be healthy unless tourism is strong (it has not been in maybe early to mid 2000s).

  • Member since 2018 · 125 posts · 21 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Carolyn Morales:

    I love the idea, even not beach front. 300k might be a little high though. Materials and rehabbing costs a little more and may take longer there, you know all has to be shipped in...Do you atleast have a water view from the house? My husband was born there, we hope to retire there airbnb style as well.

     No, no view at all. IT's in valley in center. Great for hurricanes, but not views. It is a private neighborhood though. Great for relaxing getaway. Quiet private roads away from hustle and bustle.

  • Member since 2018 · 125 posts · 21 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jeff Wagner:

    I'm not experienced with STX, but live on STT and have evaluated a number of properties in STT and STJ.  The STRs almost never pencil out assuming you want them to cash flow.  A few points to consider:
    -airdna had some data for my zip code - 00802, it might be worth purchasing one month for STX ** caveat upon trying to validate some of the STR number, I found a number of data points were way off - USE CAUTION

    -The only units I know that do better than break even are self managed and require over 75% occupancy to do so.  Hurricane season is May - Nov and slow season is Aug - Oct.  It is very difficult to achieve that kind of occupancy

    -Hurricane insurance is 1.5 - 2% of the total home value per year... its expensive

    -Electricity is currently $0.43/KWh - I think that's ~$0.10 higher than Hawaii.  Guests will consume loads of power, so solar may be a shrewd investment.  The payback period is very good given our high cost of power.  The power company and grid is a mess - outages are frequent, so you will want some type of backup for guests.  For reference a 1 bdrm condo power bill will run ~$350/mo in winter, higher in summer.  Larger villas can see $3k/mo for power.

    -Our property taxes are exceptionally low :)

    -Mortgage rates are about 1 point higher than the mainland.  My understanding is that anything with more than one kitchen will be treated as investment and require 25% down.

    -STX does not have the tourist volume as STT or STJ, fewer flights, fewer ships, everything

    -It will take a long time to do $200K of rehab - its on island time.  Everything must be imported

    -Maintenance is never ending, the salt air, tropical sun, humidity, and power surges can do a number on the property.  Significant capital reserves required.

    I do not want to discourage you but simply share some of the things I have learned about living/investing in the VI.  Feel free to PM me if you would like to connect.

    Best,

    Jeff

    All very good points! It's $20k in renovations. House is ready to go, just dated and one toilet needs work to stand up to guests.

  • Real Estate Broker · St. Thomas, USVI · Member since 2019 · 33 posts · 26 votes
    6y

    Nice, $20K much more manageable!  What do you think the in season rate will be?

  • Member since 2018 · 125 posts · 21 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jeff Wagner:

    Nice, $20K much more manageable!  What do you think the in season rate will be?

    Actually I'm lost. I see air bnb rates from $50 to $70 a night. That would barely cover mortgage with $30k down...however house rents start at $2500. Average $3000/month. That is double air bnb. I thought short term rental is more money.

  • Real Estate Broker · St. Thomas, USVI · Member since 2019 · 33 posts · 26 votes
    6y

    @Orlando Goodon - $50-70 seems light, how many beds bath? For a full house, I'd expect at least $150 in high season, more depending on views, pool, location. To your point, back of the napkin $150/nite x 180 nites = $27K Gross - there is no way it will cash flow. In my observation on STT, I think rents are starting to decrease and normalize. About a year ago we were still operating in a post Irma/Maria environment with obscene rents to FEMA workers and other relief workers. (Example $8k month for a 1 bed condo that normally rents for $1.5k). While many investors were able to make wild profits, I think its unfortunate as we (all US citizens) are paying for it and not all of the funds are going to improve local conditions.

    I think there is a good chance your house does better as a long term rental - you eliminate WAPA and internet overhead.  Ask a local realtor for a long term rental opinion.

  • Member since 2018 · 125 posts · 21 votes
    6y
    It seems like the air bnb website can be a bit misleading sometimes. I'm now see $150/night seems very reasonable. Also seems I have about 60 units to compete with. Most booked until March. In April they are all free. Only time will tell if the booking rate continues, because nobody is booking 4 months in advance so I have no idea what it will look like in 3 months.

    I am happy that $150 should be possible. This means, if I have 3 months vacant 9 months occupied, then I could make:

    NET $17k/year at weekly rate (4 1 week rentals/month)
    NET $9200/year at monthly rate (30 day rentals)

    This is only looking at mortgage and rent though. Taxes are low, but still need to be added as well as reserves and wifi.

    Once mortgage is paid off this could easily NET over $4000/month though! $3k to $3500/month gross as long term rental. One good Hurricane and a new roof will cost a year's NET. :)

    Originally posted by @Jeff Wagner:

    @Orlando Goodon - $50-70 seems light, how many beds bath? For a full house, I'd expect at least $150 in high season, more depending on views, pool, location. To your point, back of the napkin $150/nite x 180 nites = $27K Gross - there is no way it will cash flow. In my observation on STT, I think rents are starting to decrease and normalize. About a year ago we were still operating in a post Irma/Maria environment with obscene rents to FEMA workers and other relief workers. (Example $8k month for a 1 bed condo that normally rents for $1.5k). While many investors were able to make wild profits, I think its unfortunate as we (all US citizens) are paying for it and not all of the funds are going to improve local conditions.

    I think there is a good chance your house does better as a long term rental - you eliminate WAPA and internet overhead.  Ask a local realtor for a long term rental opinion.

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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    6y

    @Orlando Goodon

    How did this go?

    My research is there are only a handful of lenders for the USVI and right now finding rates about 1/4 point higher. Every lender I talked with required 20-25% down payment on the property

    As others noted electricity is High, insurance is high and depending on location probably have anywhere from 30-60% occupancy which is a big delta. But one hurricane could crush your prime season as well.

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  • Member since 2018 · 125 posts · 21 votes
    6y
    Sorry I missed your note. Just closed on the house a few weeks ago. Did some flooring work and cabinets. Not getting much responses to our ads. Looking for long term since the covid situation

    Originally posted by @Chris Seveney:

    @Orlando Goodon

    How did this go?

    My research is there are only a handful of lenders for the USVI and right now finding rates about 1/4 point higher. Every lender I talked with required 20-25% down payment on the property

    As others noted electricity is High, insurance is high and depending on location probably have anywhere from 30-60% occupancy which is a big delta. But one hurricane could crush your prime season as well.

  • Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2015 · 91 posts · 13 votes
    5y

    @Orlando Goodon

    Any change in your situation?  I hope things are going well and you are staying safe.

  • Member since 2018 · 125 posts · 21 votes
    4y

    Hi Ben and everybody. Sorry I missed some of your comments.

    So just completed first year and ended up getting a long term renter who was there about 10 months. The rent just barely covered mortgage and expenses, so don't even have much reserves. Really need to bring rent up, but can't get tenants. Property is vacant right now for last couple months, which sucks as I'm looking to buy my 2nd property in NJ in March. I've depleted all my business account cash, so I don't even have enough to do the advertising I want to do. Sure I have the money, but that means exceeding my business budget. I may have no choice as now of all times, I can't keep paying for house out of pocket while trying to raise $30k+ for downpayment.

    Not really getting much interest in the property at all. Seems the island is in economic decline due to the closing of a major profit center for them. We were getting 20 views a day and now are down to 9 a day on AirBnB. Only a single inquiry in last 2 months.

    I'm looking at other properties and it seems like maybe the market is just bad right now.

  • Member since 2010 · 210 posts · 158 votes
    4y

    Sorry to hear.  How are you advertising it?  have you tried the st croix facebook group?

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