First Deal = $1600+ Cash Flow!!

First Deal = $1600+ Cash Flow!!

Investor 路 MI 路 Member since 2019 路 112 posts 路 221 votes

Hi! I wrote a post 4 months ago asking what you all would do in our situation -- sell or keep our Seattle house. Several of you commented and it really helped us solidify our decision, so thanks to all who commented! Here is the post for reference: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

Well, we decided to sell the house and it sold for way over what we expected and we walked away with zero regrets and a huge chunk of money to invest with. Fast forward and we now have a 6 unit townhouse building in Michigan (near where we live now) that cash flows $1600 after all expenses including property management and this is with 5 of the units still at $150-$350 below market rents. Three of the units are 3 bedrooms, 2 half baths + 1 full bath and two of the units are 2 bedrooms, 1 half bath + 1 full bath. 

The property had been on the market for 2 years, but when we ran the numbers it looked like you could cash flow without changing anything, so we couldn't figure out why it was still on the market. The listing agent told us that he gets multiple calls per week about it, but that the seller just will not budge on price. It sounded like people kept offering lower and he kept saying no. 

So, knowing this info and knowing that it would cash flow for us at full price, we made him an offer. We said we would give him 290K (he had it listed at 297K) with 40K down if he would do seller financing. He came back and said yes to seller financing at 5% interest (which we couldn't believe since we heard seller financing is usually a higher interest rate). And then we negotiated a 20 year amortization schedule (and he wanted a 5 year balloon payment).

There were 5 full units and 1 vacant. We did some remodeling in the vacant one (spent about 8K on floors, painting, new vanity in a bathroom, and redid kitchen that we hired out and my husband is a master electrician so he put in new switches and fixed any lighting issues and a couple other little things) and we put it at market rent. Old owner was charging $625 for the 3 bedroom and market rent is $966. We are working on raising rents for the other 5 units over the next few months $25-$50. All of the tenants were on month-to-month and had all been living there at least for 2 years. 

The previous owner mostly took care of the outside, but the interior is pretty dated and there are a lot of little things to do. Our property manager toured each unit with each tenant and asked about any issues. The only big thing was that one tenant had been living with bedbugs for almost 2 years since she moved in. I lost my mind over this because of psychological trauma from having bedbugs in a hotel room when I was in Nepal and I ended up in the hospital, but that's a story for another day haha. Anyway, she said the landlord told her if she called an exterminator, he would evict her. So crazy! She had powders and spray that she was trying to use. Her unit was otherwise very clean and I seriously wanted to cry for her that she had been living with them for so long. Luckily, the exterminator found no evidence of them in any other unit and it was only $980 for the guaranteed treatment. I thought for sure it would be more. Anyway, that was our only big issue coming in and she was so grateful that we were willing to take care of it. 

So, each time someone decides to move out, we will remodel another unit. What I love about seller financing is that we don't have to cash-out refi once we get the appreciation up and are ready to get a mortgage on it to get our cash back out--it's just getting a first mortgage on it at 80% LTV with our credit union. We should be able to get our money back pretty easily between 12-18 months. I love how with commercial, the value of the property goes up when the NOI goes up and the previous landlord had the rents so low, that has been easy to get the NOI up!

So, for now, we are cash flowing $1600 and we expect to be at $1800 cash flow by the end of the year. This is obviously if no huge maintenance issues come up and if someone moves out, the potential for cash flow goes up even more. 

That's the story of my first deal (if you don't include our primary home turned airbnb turned sold for investing)! 

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Rental Property Investor 路 NJ and PA 路 Member since 2019 路 206 posts 路 105 votes
5y
Originally posted by @Nikki Closser:

@Leslie A. I need to research that a bit more. I had 5% of gross rents down, but I鈥檇 rather be conservative with it. And I never would have known about seller financing if it hadn鈥檛 been for listening to so many BP podcast episodes! 馃槀 

First, congratulations on your success by being creative where nobody else could see a good deal at approximately asking price. What a great accomplishment!

I often see people using a percentage of the gross rents as an estimate for repairs & maintenance. That doesn't make sense to me. Better to just estimate a dollar figure. If you have two similar properties and one has higher rents than the other, is there a difference in repair costs? In fact, the more you've updated a property, the more you collect and the less is left to repair. If you buy a property in barely rentable condition and charge $600 rent, then you update it significantly and then charge $800 rent, should your estimate for repair costs increase or decrease? Or for that matter, should repairs be the same percentage of rent in Seattle as in Michigan? I don't have a good number to tell you to estimate (it depends on the condition, how may things can go wrongs etc.), but it shouldn't be a percentage of the rent. 

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  • Timothy BorgPro Member
    Member since 2018 路 85 posts 路 24 votes
    5y

    That is awesome!  That is a great deal.  Strong work.

  • Kalamazoo, MI (Kalamazoo) 路 Member since 2020 路 1 post 路 0 votes
    5y

    What an awesome deal! I analyzed a deal a few months back, using asking price, and found the numbers worked, it always seems too good to be true.  Also, I'm just getting started in Michigan and would love to chat. It's a big state, but maybe we are close. 

    Good luck with everything!

  • Wale LawalBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker 路 Houston | Dallas | Austin, TX 路 Member since 2018 路 5k+ posts 路 2k+ votes
    5y

    @Nikki Closser

    This is a massive WIN and I'm super happy to read your story.

    This is just the beginning of greater things to come.

    I wish you nothing but massive success in your future deals.

    Stay connected and also give back.

  • Investor 路 Washington, DC 路 Member since 2020 路 13 posts 路 9 votes
    5y

    @Nikki Closser

    Thank you for the insight!! Which ever route I choose, I'm definitely looking forward to getting started! Thanks again for sharing and being so helpful.

  • Real Estate Agent 路 Naples, FL 路 Member since 2020 路 6 posts 路 1 vote
    5y

    @Nikki Closser congratulations 馃帀

    I have a question. You mentioned your home was in Seattle, and the I investment property you bought is in Michigan. Did you purchase your I investment property out of the state where you live?

    I live in SW Florida, and I'm ready to invest, but prices in this area are high with low cash flow. I have been thinking about Chicago, but I'm afraid because it is out of Estate.

    Thank you in advance for any comments.

  • Flipper/Rehabber 路 Member since 2018 路 102 posts 路 103 votes
    5y

    @Nikki Closser

    Love your strategies and creative thinking. Sometimes when owners say no... What they really mean is ask me another way. You asked another way and he said yes. Both sides "win" but you will win way more in the long term.

    I am in the middle of a similar scenario to yours right now. However the landlord has locked up tenants on very low rents for the next 3 years. Long term cash flow should be great but the next 3 years nor so much. I am offering 100k down and trying to have owner carry contract for 10 years with starting payments in 3 years when his terrible leases are up. I am hopeful... But willing to walk away if needed

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Columbus, OH 路 Member since 2015 路 184 posts 路 162 votes
    5y

    @Nikki Closser similar story: we recently closed on our first investment property three days before closing on our new primary residence lol :-) We also relocated, sold our house in Los Angeles - which we had rented out with Airbnb and had built an Accessory Dwelling Unit in the backyard, and moved to Columbus Ohio. We put all our our profits into the new investment property.

  • Owen MitchellPro Member
    New to Real Estate 路 Jacksonville, NC 路 Member since 2019 路 91 posts 路 21 votes
    5y

    WOW!!! Congrats on the Deal your a Hugh Inspiration to a newbie such as myself looking to do my first deal. I especially loved how you had the guts to say no to the first two deals and saw the opportunity to turn that third property into seller financing deal. Well Done 馃憤馃従馃榿 

  • Real Estate Agent 路 Columbus, OH 路 Member since 2018 路 1k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Justin Gottuso:

    @Nikki Closser similar story: we recently closed on our first investment property three days before closing on our new primary residence lol :-) We also relocated, sold our house in Los Angeles - which we had rented out with Airbnb and had built an Accessory Dwelling Unit in the backyard, and moved to Columbus Ohio. We put all our our profits into the new investment property.

    Congrats on the move! What part of Columbus are you in? 

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Columbus, OH 路 Member since 2015 路 184 posts 路 162 votes
    5y

    @Zeke Liston Westerville

  • los angeles, CA 路 Member since 2018 路 56 posts 路 11 votes
    5y
    Hi Nikki... Great success story and congratulations !  One question:  was your search limited to where you were living or were you looking OOS liek back in Seattle ?  Thanks for your answer !


  • Member since 2020 路 25 posts 路 8 votes
    5y

    Thank you for sharing! I own a duplex in Florida and am in the process of getting approved for a HELOC but don't think we can afford anything in FL so somehow I've landed on the the MI market. I know NOTHING about MI but like that it is affordable and so climate change friendly. Would you mind sharing what you use to calculate cash flow, any realtors you recommend, and which cities in Michigan are best for investment (and living for that matter, as we may move out of FL in the future!) Thanks so much.

  • Investor 路 MI 路 Member since 2019 路 112 posts 路 221 votes
    5y

    @Stephanie Wells Hi! There is so much to write 馃ぃ So much depends on what you are looking for. Do you want small town? Somewhere with a downtown? Near or on a lake? City? Do you need to be near a Target 馃槅 Some areas are pricey and some aren鈥檛. My two apartment buildings (I bought an 11 unit since I made this post) are small town and we live just outside of Ann Arbor and have a lake house about an hour west of Ann Arbor. Both areas work great for our family. I鈥檝e lived in Plymouth, Canton, Ypsilanti, Royal Oak and all were good for different reasons鈥攁nd things I didn鈥檛 love about each place! I have realtors in both metro Detroit and northern MI. To calculate cash flow, I use the mortgage calculator and subtract all of the expenses including my property manager鈥檚 fees. Nothing fancy! I always overestimate. Always. 

  • Member since 2020 路 25 posts 路 8 votes
    5y

    Nikki wow 11 units is our dream! The first place I was drawn to when researching was Ann Arbor area actually - seems beautiful, near detroit, and family friendly based on the research I've done. Talking with our bank today, but I have a duplex with about 300K in equity that I am planning to tap into and do a cash out refi. Would love to be able to buy a multi family and a nice single family 3 or 4/2 near there so we could have the option to get out of Florida over the next few years. Would love to hear about your experience doing any out of state buys, as not seeing the property kind of freaks me out!

    • Investor 路 MI 路 Member since 2019 路 112 posts 路 221 votes
      5y
      Originally posted by @Stephanie Wells:

      Nikki wow 11 units is our dream! The first place I was drawn to when researching was Ann Arbor area actually - seems beautiful, near detroit, and family friendly based on the research I've done. Talking with our bank today, but I have a duplex with about 300K in equity that I am planning to tap into and do a cash out refi. Would love to be able to buy a multi family and a nice single family 3 or 4/2 near there so we could have the option to get out of Florida over the next few years. Would love to hear about your experience doing any out of state buys, as not seeing the property kind of freaks me out!

      Ann Arbor is great! Where are you in FL? We are looking for an Airbnb and I鈥檝e considered FL, but I feel overwhelmed with all of the options. Maybe we could help each other out! 

      I put a couple offers on homes to Airbnb in AZ, but haven鈥檛 been able to get one yet. I鈥檝e been having my agent do a zoom walk through. If I were to get one, I would fly out during the inspection period. For primary home, I would definitely want to see it in person unless I had already mailed down a neighborhood and knew exactly what I wanted. 

  • Member since 2020 路 25 posts 路 8 votes
    5y

    I'd be happy to help! I am in the Tampa Bay area (Clearwater to be exact). Let me know what areas you are looking into and I can give you some insights!

  • Houston, TX 路 Member since 2016 路 5 posts 路 0 votes
    4y

    @Nikki Closser
    Hi Nikki, first of all great story on the deal you posted. Congrats!!!

    Me and my husband are new investors and we think that seller financing may be the option for the current deal we are analyzing, and I am hoping I can pick your brain for a minute. 

    We are running the numbers on a property that could potentially be our first (I hope) and our current analysis involves using hard money lender (finance costs). I read somewhere about seller financing and without knowing exactly how it works, I think this strategy could work for this property, allowing the seller to get the finance costs (vs the hard money lender) as she has 100% equity and timing didn't seem a big issue per our first contact, but as I said we are new and we are not sure we understand seller financing strategy all too well.... or at all to be honest :) ... ...so, do you have a suggestion on where to research, read, learn, etc. on this strategy? something like a 101 seller financing for dummies :)

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