First Deal = $1600+ Cash Flow!!

First Deal = $1600+ Cash Flow!!

Investor · MI · Member since 2019 · 112 posts · 221 votes

Hi! I wrote a post 4 months ago asking what you all would do in our situation -- sell or keep our Seattle house. Several of you commented and it really helped us solidify our decision, so thanks to all who commented! Here is the post for reference: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

Well, we decided to sell the house and it sold for way over what we expected and we walked away with zero regrets and a huge chunk of money to invest with. Fast forward and we now have a 6 unit townhouse building in Michigan (near where we live now) that cash flows $1600 after all expenses including property management and this is with 5 of the units still at $150-$350 below market rents. Three of the units are 3 bedrooms, 2 half baths + 1 full bath and two of the units are 2 bedrooms, 1 half bath + 1 full bath. 

The property had been on the market for 2 years, but when we ran the numbers it looked like you could cash flow without changing anything, so we couldn't figure out why it was still on the market. The listing agent told us that he gets multiple calls per week about it, but that the seller just will not budge on price. It sounded like people kept offering lower and he kept saying no. 

So, knowing this info and knowing that it would cash flow for us at full price, we made him an offer. We said we would give him 290K (he had it listed at 297K) with 40K down if he would do seller financing. He came back and said yes to seller financing at 5% interest (which we couldn't believe since we heard seller financing is usually a higher interest rate). And then we negotiated a 20 year amortization schedule (and he wanted a 5 year balloon payment).

There were 5 full units and 1 vacant. We did some remodeling in the vacant one (spent about 8K on floors, painting, new vanity in a bathroom, and redid kitchen that we hired out and my husband is a master electrician so he put in new switches and fixed any lighting issues and a couple other little things) and we put it at market rent. Old owner was charging $625 for the 3 bedroom and market rent is $966. We are working on raising rents for the other 5 units over the next few months $25-$50. All of the tenants were on month-to-month and had all been living there at least for 2 years. 

The previous owner mostly took care of the outside, but the interior is pretty dated and there are a lot of little things to do. Our property manager toured each unit with each tenant and asked about any issues. The only big thing was that one tenant had been living with bedbugs for almost 2 years since she moved in. I lost my mind over this because of psychological trauma from having bedbugs in a hotel room when I was in Nepal and I ended up in the hospital, but that's a story for another day haha. Anyway, she said the landlord told her if she called an exterminator, he would evict her. So crazy! She had powders and spray that she was trying to use. Her unit was otherwise very clean and I seriously wanted to cry for her that she had been living with them for so long. Luckily, the exterminator found no evidence of them in any other unit and it was only $980 for the guaranteed treatment. I thought for sure it would be more. Anyway, that was our only big issue coming in and she was so grateful that we were willing to take care of it. 

So, each time someone decides to move out, we will remodel another unit. What I love about seller financing is that we don't have to cash-out refi once we get the appreciation up and are ready to get a mortgage on it to get our cash back out--it's just getting a first mortgage on it at 80% LTV with our credit union. We should be able to get our money back pretty easily between 12-18 months. I love how with commercial, the value of the property goes up when the NOI goes up and the previous landlord had the rents so low, that has been easy to get the NOI up!

So, for now, we are cash flowing $1600 and we expect to be at $1800 cash flow by the end of the year. This is obviously if no huge maintenance issues come up and if someone moves out, the potential for cash flow goes up even more. 

That's the story of my first deal (if you don't include our primary home turned airbnb turned sold for investing)! 

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Rental Property Investor · NJ and PA · Member since 2019 · 206 posts · 105 votes
5y
Originally posted by @Nikki Closser:

@Leslie A. I need to research that a bit more. I had 5% of gross rents down, but I’d rather be conservative with it. And I never would have known about seller financing if it hadn’t been for listening to so many BP podcast episodes! 😂 

First, congratulations on your success by being creative where nobody else could see a good deal at approximately asking price. What a great accomplishment!

I often see people using a percentage of the gross rents as an estimate for repairs & maintenance. That doesn't make sense to me. Better to just estimate a dollar figure. If you have two similar properties and one has higher rents than the other, is there a difference in repair costs? In fact, the more you've updated a property, the more you collect and the less is left to repair. If you buy a property in barely rentable condition and charge $600 rent, then you update it significantly and then charge $800 rent, should your estimate for repair costs increase or decrease? Or for that matter, should repairs be the same percentage of rent in Seattle as in Michigan? I don't have a good number to tell you to estimate (it depends on the condition, how may things can go wrongs etc.), but it shouldn't be a percentage of the rent. 

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  • Realtor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2019 · 95 posts · 87 votes
    5y

    That is amazing! Congrats on the early success!!

  • Member since 2019 · 1 post · 0 votes
    5y

    @Nikki Closser Congratulation on your new investment! It looks like there is a lot of potential to increase rents in this building, which is great. I am still leaning about multifamily investing before jumping in. With seller financing, are there some limits on how low the down payment can be or is it all based on the agreement? Also, what is the CAP rate in the area where you purchased your property?

    Thanks!

  • Investor · MI · Member since 2019 · 112 posts · 221 votes
    5y

    @Allen Williams thank you!!

    @Yige Huang nope, there are no restrictions on down payment. It's all an agreement between the seller and buyer and, as long as both parties agree, you can do whatever you want! I just made sure it would be an attractive enough offer to this guy based on what I learned about him and his situation. There are tons of references to do seller financing on the BP podcast episodes, but I can't remember which ones off the top of my head. That's how I learned all about it. For CAP rate, it varies greatly in my area and I honestly couldn't tell you what the average is here. If we had purchased it at asking price of 297K with the NOI that it was when we bought it, the CAP rate would have been 9.26%, but I'm not sure what ended up being at 290K that we paid for it.

  • Rental Property Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2018 · 27 posts · 12 votes
    5y

    @Nikki Closser

    Great deal, to me the most important thing is you got it done. No talking about what it could have been etc

    Also, good move on getting things fixed. I’m the same way... not in this to be a slumlord. Best of luck!

  • Realtor · Lubbock, TX · Member since 2020 · 144 posts · 80 votes
    5y

    That sounds like an amazing deal! Way to go!!! Wonderful cash flow, value add easily, good tenants... you can’t beat that!

  • Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2015 · 77 posts · 46 votes
    5y

    Yet another question about how seller financing worked for you on this deal. 

    $40k down on $290 is 14%. The advantage to you was a smaller down payment, and the seller got the sales price he wanted. But you're paying 5% instead of 3.5% or so from a conventional lender. Correct? My parents used to buy on seller financing, but that's when interest rates were much higher, so the advantage was getting a lower interest rate. I'm always curious how it can be used today. 

    Assuming your note to him is $250k, the place would only have to appraise for $333k for you to refinance at 75% LTV. Have you considered doing that?

  • Member since 2019 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    Great Story Nikki!  Thank you for sharing.  I've been looking for deals in the Charlotte, NC market and hope to find a similar size deal soon.

  • Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2019 · 139 posts · 54 votes
    5y

    @Nikki Closser Thanks for sharing this amazing deal. So the highlight on your deal is seller financing. How did you get the seller encouraged for seller financing? In other words, what made the seller accept the seller financing versus capital for him to have for conventional loan? Thank you

  • Investor · Member since 2020 · 401 posts · 86 votes
    5y

    Could you elaborate about the finding the deal in the MLS? 

    Michigan is big and there are many cities and towns with many neighborhood... How did you pick a place? 

    Did you made lot of offers in this one place? What is the difference in the refi between seller financing to other form of lending? 

  • Investor · MI · Member since 2019 · 112 posts · 221 votes
    5y

    @Al Y. thank you!! Love hearing that and I’m sure your tenants are lucky to have you as a landlord! 

  • Investor · MI · Member since 2019 · 112 posts · 221 votes
    5y

    @Thomas Mattausch yes, that is the plan. Our credit union does 80% LTV, so we are happy about that!

  • Investor · MI · Member since 2019 · 112 posts · 221 votes
    5y

    @Matt Basara nice! Hope you find something soon. I’ll be in NC for the first time ever doing some photo shoots later this year. 

  • Investor · MI · Member since 2019 · 112 posts · 221 votes
    5y

    @Jay Yoo I’m not sure what it was in the end that made him do it, but I’m guessing it’s because I offered him 290K. 

    @Ari Hadar the difference in the refinance is that I won't be doing a cash out refinance, it's just a regular commercial mortgage. Which is nice because i don't have to wait for the seasoning period that most banks require. Our credit union is two years. So as soon as we get the value up a bit more, we will get an 80% LTV mortgage on it to get most of our money back without having to wait two years.

  • Investor · FL · Member since 2019 · 76 posts · 37 votes
    5y

    @Nikki Closser awesome story. Looks like you are on your way.

  • Investor · FL · Member since 2019 · 76 posts · 37 votes
    5y

    @Nikki Closser awesome story. Looks like you are on your way.

  • Real Estate Agent · Mesa, AZ · Member since 2017 · 231 posts · 169 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Nikki Closser:


    @Matt Greer haha!! It’s actually pronounced with a short o, but maybe I should say it the other way during deals 😂

    I absolutely would.

  • Investor · MI · Member since 2019 · 112 posts · 221 votes
    5y

    @Account Closed thank you!!

  • New to Real Estate · Rochester, MI · Member since 2018 · 50 posts · 17 votes
    5y

    This is tremendous Nikki! Thank you for sharing this incredible accomplishment. I have been in a bit of a rut since I lost one of my previous deals and reading your story helped to recharge my batteries. 

    Whereabouts in Michigan were you able to do this?

    Thank you again for sharing and I look forward to your response!

    Adam

  • Realtor · Centennial, CO · Member since 2018 · 30 posts · 10 votes
    5y

    Love this! Thank you so much for sharing!

  • New to Real Estate · Dallas, TX · Member since 2020 · 94 posts · 20 votes
    5y

    Congrats on your first deal, continue on your real estate journey and you'll be just fine.

    Happy Hunting, Vernon

  • Rental Property Investor · Red Oak, TX · Member since 2020 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    5y

    @Femi Ibrahim

    Sounds like the landlord wanted the cashflow but no longer wanted to deal with maintenance/tenants considering the bed bug problem.

    It never hurts to ask!

  • Rental Property Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2018 · 98 posts · 39 votes
    5y

    @Nikki Closser

    Amazing!! Congrats!

  • Investor · Wilmington, NC · Member since 2017 · 44 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    What a great story! Keep up the momentum! 

  • Realtor · Saint Charles, IL · Member since 2020 · 126 posts · 101 votes
    5y

    @Nikki Closser

    Love the story and the backstory!

    The numbers are great.

    May I ask how did you find/decide on the market? I’m

    Looking to go commercial on my next deal educating phase currently. I want to do long distance though which may be a massive hurtle. My rentals right now are local and sfr’s

    Thanks for sharing

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    Rental Property Investor · Member since 2020 · 7 posts · 1 vote
    5y

    @Nikki Closser that’s great! Way to go!!

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