Asked to be Money Partner on Boutique Hotel

Asked to be Money Partner on Boutique Hotel

Member since 2021 · 2 posts · 1 vote

Hi All, 

I've been approached to invest in a hotel with 29 rooms in an area that is primarily busy Memorial Day to Labor Day and an additional  ~5500 square foot lot on a main road. The hotel is currently not run particularly well and is closed a good part of the year although there is no reason it could not remain operational year-round. The current management structure is all family of the owner and charge $160,000k/year for this part-time management so a lot of room for optimization. The business profited $30k last year after paying the family management team. 

The managing partner is successful in local businesses but cash depleted after a recent acquisition. He is asking for $240k for down payment/fees on a seller-finance 1.7M deal with a 3.5% interest rate and balloon in 5 years. He would not be bringing any cash to the deal. He is very diligent and has good thoughts and plans moving forward for the hotel and I trust he is operating in god faith but am a bit surprised by the proposal. He is offering the following:


95/5 split in his favor 

60% of depreciation assigned to me (I am a W2 employee and the tax savings would likely recapture my initial investment in year 1. 

His rationale is that with the depreciation, I would basically be making an IRS-backed loan to recapture that initial investment and buy myself a 5% stake in the business. 

To me, putting up all of the down payment represents significant risk, while his actual risk in the deal is minimal. In researching other money partner deals on bigger pockets and other websites, this split seems low, even with consideration for the depreciation. 

At the same time, there are other local deals available that I'm just starting to vet in other businesses as well as some opportunity outside of the U.S. What do folks think about this proposal? What would a reasonable counter be? With CDs paying at 5-6% with guaranteed returns, it's a challenge to not invest in more secure opportunities and wait for a potential market correction for value opportunities. 

Thanks for taking the time and your consideration. 

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Ronald RohdePro Member
Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
3y

I wouldn't do it. Retail, hospitality easiest way to lose money. Why not add a restaurant while you're burning some cash?

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  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    I wouldn't do it. Retail, hospitality easiest way to lose money. Why not add a restaurant while you're burning some cash?

  • Louisville, KY · Member since 2023 · 70 posts · 34 votes
    3y

    It sounds really f'ing complicated and really you're buying a business (active) that's real estate (passive) based. 1) Family owned mgmt which means the risk of creatively funneling money around, so keeping an extremely close eye on the books. 2) How do you 'assign depreciation', I didn't know depreciation is a currency but permissive commensurate to real property ownership > def check with tax advisor here 3) Who is determining the valuations/purchase price? Real estate vs. hotel biz, separate and combined. 4) Closed a few months of the year...never heard of that, you have to start over annually. 

    Hotel depends heavily on the operator, it will make or break. This is a turnaround project sounds like. 

  • Rental Property Investor · RVA · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    Every knowledgeable CPA I've discussed this with has said you can't split up depreciation in that way for purely tax-related reasons. Depreciation must be split based on percentage of ownership. We've looked into it for our deals because some of our investors value depreciation more than others, but the answer has always come back no. Before you move forward be sure to get a tax professional to weigh in.

    Even then, the split is incredibly unfair. You're taking all of the financial risk for a tiny portion of the upside.

  • Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    No.

  • Louisville, KY · Member since 2023 · 70 posts · 34 votes
    3y

    I will limit my upside in exchange for limiting my downside, I don't want unlimited liability and willing to cap my potential for that option. I craft my my exit plan and disposition before entry, assign roles and responsibilities in advance with written agreements. Factoring in time suck, this venture would sink me time wise. Consider too if you're taking a level 10 risk for a level 5 return.   

  • Louisville, KY · Member since 2023 · 70 posts · 34 votes
    3y

    Do you know an experienced operator? That could be immense help.  

  • Member since 2021 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    3y

    Thanks much to everyone for all of the great feedback. 

  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y

    @Nathanial Miletta

    That’s An awful deal, first never lend at 1/2 the price of the market - if you were putting all $ in then you should get min 75% upside on a five year exit… no one in their right mind would fund with those terms

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  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathanial Miletta:

    Thanks much to everyone for all of the great feedback. 


     So, you didn't do it, right?

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