Belize 25 acres Teak

Belize 25 acres Teak

Henry ClarkPro Member
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Closed on 25 acres in Belize 2 weeks ago.  

Property:

20 acres of 12 year teak.  5 acres of cleared hill.  Water and sewer about 200 yards away.  1 mile to the main highway.  Great 360 degree view.  Great cell reception.  3 miles away from our existing plantation and house.  Main road for mennonites on buggies traveling to town.  Picturesque.  Clear rock stream on the backside.  Road frontage on the front and side road.  

Why?

Although we could continue to add to our Self Storage investments in the US.  This adds to our existing Teak plantations and retired lifestyle.  Our market for the Teak will be China and India.  Belize is a low income market so we only plan to sale low grade lumber there.  The land we are buying also has secondary value to future expats moving there.  Location, view, water, trees, electric, water.

Will clear building spots and plant 100 fruit trees and 800 hardwood seedlings.  This will make the 5 acres value more than the entire 25 acres.  The overall value of the land and potential subdivision and the harvested lumber will be 10 times the original cost.  No capital gains in Belize.  But will have to pay in the US.  Not worth giving up our citizenship to avoid taxes.

Process:      
1.  Tracking the owner down.  There is no Property tax GIS map.  You can’t go to the Lands department and ask.  You have to have the property ID.  You ask the neighbors or the village council.  Then if in the US you have to find a friend of theirs to get their contact info.    

2.  The owner did not want to use an agent.  They wanted to meet in Belize with an attorney and pay cash and transfer title.  I said I could t do that.  I would pay for a buyers agent who did the paperwork.  Used our same agent.  Example.  Found out the land was owned by three people.  If we had just paid her the others could have challenged. Was not their intent, but.  They had two passports.  They used the wrong one for a sale in Belize.  Had to fix.  My signature was not the same as in my passport. With and without middle name.  Belize is super picky on financial transactions due to US drug traffic monetary controls. 
    
3.   Seller wanted cash paid in US dollars in the US.   Not a U.S. citizen.  If paid in Belize in Belize dollars you have to go through an approval process to get your money out.  So if you ever sell down there, make the payments in the US.

4.  Since we and the seller were in the US they had to overnight paperwork for signatures.  

5.  Payments went to Realtors US account. Does not go to a Title trust account.  

6.  Sale is complete but now has to be recorded at the lands department.  Our first property took 1 1/2 years to be recorded.  

Possession:

7.  Surveyor to mark corners.  Costs about $200 US to mark 4 corners.  Costs $100 per corner to replace any missing concrete markers.  Most properties they have to bush hack up and down hills and through jungle.  Snakes, killer bees, getting lost.

8.  The excavator is supposed to come in the next two weeks to clear and widen the existing driveway to the top of the hill and a site in back for a shed.  They will also make a rock bottom swimming hole in the stream.  Cost will be about $800 US.  

9.  Planted 5,000 seedlings at our last property.  Will buy another 800 for this location.  Probably cedar, zericote, granadillo and Cortez for show.  We have to order six months ahead from our Mennonite source and put a deposit down.   $.75 US per seedling.  Plant in a 10x10 grid.  430 per acre.  After thinning over 20 years, 1 out of 7 will be left for harvest.  

Guys out planting trees at the start of rainy season.  During the dry season we cleared land and plowed rows.  

Real estate wise we can subdivide and sell.  Lumber harvest.  More US expats are looking to buy overseas and in Belize.  

Hopefully I remember to do a post in 10 years and see how it goes.  

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Investor · Huntsville, AL · Member since 2015 · 149 posts · 80 votes
3y

@Henry Clark Amazing stuff my man! I’d love to do something like this. A buddy of mine just built a duplex on the water in Placencia

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  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    2y

    Guys knocked off early and went fishing in our Tilapia pond. They really galled them in.  Had a great time.  Their families will really enjoy since these are $8 per pound and the minimum wage in Belize is $5.  
    Have you ever wondered sometimes what my post has to do with real estate. One it’s enjoyable. But mainly my team doesn’t want to lose “this”.  Investing overseas you want your caretaker to “own” your property like it was theirs.  Can’t wait to show you the duck/goose pictures and we will be getting our hogs or piglets this week. 

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    2y

    Added ducks and geese over the last month.  Next year this time we will be up to around 300 birds. Our team will be eating duck, goose and a lot of eggs. 

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    1y

    Building a small house on this 25 acres.  Will be for our Foreman Marks father, Mr Mar.  He is nearing retirement.  He will live there and watch over the three teak locations and animals.

    Got the site and pad ready.  Next steps are to put down a roll of plastic to prevent moisture or wet floors.  Then the rebar.  Then we are ready to pour.  Normally they would mix the concrete by hand.  But I like to have single pours are larger surfaces like the floor, so we will have a truck deliver.

    In Iowa. Highs in the 15s and lows will be 0 this week.  I need to buy some airplane tickets.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    1y

    Slow progress on the house.  It has been the "Dry" season thus we have been working on our trees and clearing land on a new 89 acres we bought and need to clear to plant on. 

    Back working on the house since we moved into "Rainy" season.  Guys are setting the Metal I beam.  Today we poured the Ring Beam the wood forms you see around the edge.  Will pull the wood forms off on Monday.  Then start to form the concrete roof or top floor.  The second floor will be an open verandah with the metal roof about 10 feet above.

    The five high school kids made more than enough money to "pay" for their high school, uniforms, lunches and books.  About 1/2 the boy's quit high school after 8th grade since most of them will do manual labor and the extra 4 years of school don't add value, plus it costs money to go to school.  Costs about $800 USD per year for High School. Average wage rate is $2.50 per hour USD.  My guys really like having their sons working summer and weekends to help pay the family costs.  All of them are A/B students and some play on futbol teams.

    Will build the roof next week.  Then pour the following week.  Then build outside Stairs going to the roof verandah and two porches and sidewalks. Still a long way to go.

    Don't know if we will hit our Base house cost of $25,000 USD on a 30x30 house with two 10x30 porches.  Another $15,000 in hookup and water/sewer/electric costs.

    Been trying to get the Electric in for over 1 1/2 years.  Finally moving forward.  3rd world country.  The money to get the electric poles and to the house will take a "funny" route to get the Electric company to install.  My contractor buddy down there said it is fine, just the way things get done down there.  Should have the electric to the house in 2 weeks.  Only need 4 poles installed from the street to get back to us.

    My contractor friend said deals are starting to slow down for him since the beginning of the year.  He builds custom homes there. Fewer US, Canadian and British people looking to build down there.  Told him, from my view up here the economy is starting to slow down and get tight.  People are probably starting to hold back on RE investing.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    4mo

    Working to put the roof on.  Will also be the floor for the full open roof patio above. 

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Got the form from the bottom for the top floor done.  Electrician came out today on a Sunday to run pipes in the roof before we pour concrete.  Did a final walk thru with my manager down there to make sure all electrical outlets are in place.  Will pour concrete early next week. Since we use bush sticks to hold the frame up.  We will need to let it set for a month before working on.  Since this is the top and no more weight in the middle.   We will start forming and pouring the corner posts to put the metal roof on.  We can start the posts next week. 

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    4mo

    Finally got done framing the roof.  Used a concrete lift and started early today pouring.  Joel is in the black with blue sleeves.   Last picture he is spraying concrete sealer.  About 95 for highs for a week.  If we don’t seal the concrete will dry out to fast and flake and crack.  

    The actual story in this picture is Joel.  He is 6ft 2 inches.  But 16 years old.  He has been working with us for about 8 months.  This is his first job.  He lives with his grandparents.  Parents couldn’t afford to take care of him.  His parents couldn’t afford to pay for school, dropped out when he was 10.  Kid busts his butt is really cheerful.   The guys nicknamed him Big Baby.  Told my guys to train him on construction so he can get a “Good” job versus cutting brush.  He makes errors but is learning.  

    Got to love making money, but the side benefits with other people are fun to.  

    This concrete has to set for one month before we take the bush sticks out from underneath.  In the meantime we can work on the column posts along the edge for the roof since they are in the posts below and not the fresh concrete.  Once that is done we will put a metal roof on.  

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Got the roof poured.  Now putting columns up to put metal roof on.  Will be 9 foot on the sides and 12 foot in the middle.  We use plastic tubes cut down two sides for the column forms.  Then made clamps or rings for them.  
    Steel rebar sticking out of the tops will tie to the metal beams we will use for the roof.  We are going to buy now. Belize only gets so many shipments of different things in every few months.  On another house we have been waiting for tube steel to make burglar bars for 4 months.  Standard sizes.  

    Building in a small off to the side country can take some time if you use non stocked items.  Example if you want a curved glass shower door.  It might take two months.  If it gets delivered broke.  Then another 2 months.  

    Our next trip I’ll take tile spacers down.  They don’t stock them down there  makes for even tiles Can’t just go to the hardware store.

    Once we get the roof on, will start framing windows and doors.  Doing some rough plastering.  

    Already getting ideas for tile work.  Will buy when I’m down there. 

  • G. Brian DavisPro Member
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    3mo

    Very interesting project. What stood out to me was how much effort went into verifying ownership and completing the transaction. That's a good reminder that investing internationally often comes with very different risks and processes than we're used to in the U.S. Looking forward to the 10-year update.

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      Quote from @G. Brian Davis:

      Very interesting project. What stood out to me was how much effort went into verifying ownership and completing the transaction. That's a good reminder that investing internationally often comes with very different risks and processes than we're used to in the U.S. Looking forward to the 10-year update.


       I have had to learn to not be UScentric overseas.  Things aren't better or worse.  BUT. 

      Loans down there run around 13%, 10-year term, 50% downpayment.  So, it is normally a cash deal.  Just the way it is.

      Title search you have to be very careful.  There are 4 ways to own or control land down there.  Plus some people try to sell land they don't own yet.  

      No Title companies.  So, when you go to pay, you have to trust someone with your cash.

      Don't plan to Make money there.  Local buyers at $2.50 USD per hour.  Most can't afford.  Most Foreign buyers don't have the cash up front.  It's a buyers' market, so you have to make your money up front. The first property we bought had been on the market for 14 years.  They had just lowered the price from $800k down to $500k.  We offered $250k I believe and bought it.  That was actually a little high, but it was a great location, big trees, on the river.  All of our deals are like that down there.  We pick three properties. Tell the Agent to make 3 day offers starting with the first at really low prices. Then move to the next property if not accepted.  CASH is King down there.

      During COVID 1/2 of a Beach town was up for sale.  Owners could not go there to use, and their Airbnb was no existent.  Could have bought some great Beach front properties.  When/If the Stock market crashes, will be the same deal.  But you have to have the cash to survive yourself.

      Different play than the normal 3/2 in the US deal.  Not better or worse.  But Diversification.

      Actually, these deals are not even close to our Self Storage deals. But great for diversification and coming from Iowa during the winter.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    3mo

    Pouring final center columns for roof.   Will order roof beams and start roof and porch.

    The concrete roof has set for 30 days. So we have taken out the bush sticks supporting it. Taken the plywood form material off the roof.  Will spray the plywood all over with diesel before storing away.  Keep termites away.  The plywood can be used about 3 times for forms until you toss them.  

    Moving into rainy season there.  Plan to put the roof and porches on.  Then we can do rough and then finish mortar on walls.  Also tile the floors.  Out of the rain. 

    Moving along. Mortaring takes a long time. 

  • Member since 2024 · 144 posts · 28 votes
    3mo

    This is an exceptional masterclass in cross-border real estate underwriting and asset protection. Sourcing raw land in an emerging market like Belize requires abandoning standard U.S. closing assumptions—your execution on the AML signature alignment, avoiding Belize Dollar (BZD) central bank repatriation traps, and setting physical concrete boundary markers during the 18-month lands department registration lag is textbook execution.

    Your agricultural arbitrage model is brilliant. Buying premium exotic hardwood seedlings like Zericote and Granadillo at an ultra-low $0.75 US unit basis and implementing a 20-year systematic thinning matrix creates a self-funding asset. The initial thinned logs supply the local low-income lumber market, while the final stand is preserved for premium export to China and India.

    To protect your capital velocity, ensure your CPA structures your future harvest under IRS Section 631(a) or (b) elections to legally pass the timber revenue through as long-term capital gains rather than ordinary income. If you want to scale your Belize holdings further without wiping out your domestic liquidity, bypass traditional retail banks and execute a Commercial Cash-Out DSCR Refinance on your free-and-clear U.S. self-storage portfolio under an LLC via a Non-QM platform. They will underwrite your domestic NOI to cut you a lump-sum check, allowing you to fund international development projects completely debt-free on the sovereign side.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    2mo

    Had a great trip for Lobsterfest in Placencia, Belize.  Caught a nice Jack Trevalle, not to big.   Houses is coming along.  Working on Rough mortar of concrete beams and walls.  They take a hammer and chip the concrete beams which are smooth.  This is so the Rough plaster will stick and not flake off.  The roof ceiling cured enough for us to work on it.  Welded and placed top roof beams.   Also installing beams for porches.  Next will be the Purlins for the roofs.  

    Plastering will take a long time.  So next trip will start to buy finish items.   Windows, doors, sinks, tile, etc.  

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    1mo

    Roof coming along should be finished today. 

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Front porch done.  Back porch finished today.  Really makes the house shadier and cooler.  Can’t wait to sit there with our managers father who will live there and grill dinner and enjoy the shade. These two porches and the balcony roof will keep the house cooler with the shade and airflow. 

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Jayden learning to do rough plaster from his grandfather in front of him.  Who will live in the house.  Told my manager to train the young guys so they have an extra skillset for the future.  He will be in the 11th grade or what they call 3rd form.  School starts back next week. He made enough this summer about $1,300 usd to pay for the year.  Took pressure off his father who has 4 kids to pay for school and makes $3.50 usd per hour.  His father is actually the person building the roof and porch on a quote basis.  Next trip order windows, decide on fixtures, floor- concrete or tile, furniture.  For furniture we will use lumber we had sawn from trees on our property.  

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Someone has to do it.

    Headed to Belize to check on how the new house roof went on and the Plaster is going at the "Beginning of the trip".  Then will look at Windows/Doors/Tile, bathroom and kitchen decisions at the "End" of the trip.  

    "Beginning" and "End" of the trip makes the full travel a Deductible expense.

    In between we will go to an Island called Raye Caye with some friends for Island life and fishing.

    Buy a property near a destination spot for you. Whether it's your kids, vacation spot, or get away. Might not have the best ROI, COC, NOI, etc but got to love the tax deductions.

    Can't wait for some Lionfish tacos.  Have them for lunch at this place on our last fishing trip.  Below are Lobster Quesadillas and Tacos from a different trip.  The Lionfish tacos were better, even though these were great.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Made it back to Raye Caye.  Lionfish Taco for lunch.  Rewards of Self Storage.  20 years form now out teak forests will be ready to harvest.  I’ll let my son take of it and our Plantation manager. 

    Find your REI strategy. Make your mistakes. Build your team and system. Then scale.

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