Self Storage- Deal 16, Great Market analysis, thought I was retiring

Self Storage- Deal 16, Great Market analysis, thought I was retiring

Henry ClarkPro Member
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Had my eye on some land for about 2 years which has been for sale, but have been very hesitant about the economy, us retiring enjoying life/travel, and our personal financial risk tolerance.  This would be about a $3.5mm total cost location.  Around 300 cargo units, 200 regular storage units and about 250 parking spots.  In 3 phases to reduce risk.  Phase 1 would be profitable but not a deal I would do on its own.  Phase 2 where you leverage the land, fence, and interior road/parking costs becomes really profitable, and Phase 3 is wonderful, but not necessary.  Phase 3- I actually don't like large storage locations, since your more exposed to competition.  I would rather build another location.

About 300 of the units would be Cargo Containers, another 200 in traditional buildings, the rest in parking.  Looking at Cargo containers because their prices are far down, about the same as 10 years ago.  Versus traditional has almost doubled in the last 5 years.  Cargo containers also don't get property tax, are easily resold with very little loss in value, can be added as needed.  Basically, the Risk level is very low with them.  Insurance would be under Personal property and not as a Building.  Financing is a little more difficult since Containers are treated as equipment versus Buildings.    We already use cargo containers and have/had around 80 of them and they work great.

Zoned Industrial, although I would need to get a Special Use permit for Self-Storage.  Containers are a lot more difficult since most zoning does not allow them.  But Industrial they are permitted.  Performed a market analysis and demand is definitely there, competition is full, rates are high, competition has no area to expand, zoning and land availability is difficult for any future developments.  On the Market analysis we have an unfair advantage.  We have a location about 15 miles away, and using the Customer Map, we can tell we are pulling from this market, meaning lack of supply.  Although this might impact our location 15 miles away, we have other competition in our area, which they would also be pulling from that market.  In our market 15 miles away, there is double the amount of storage that should be in our market and all of us are full and raising rents.  This explains that.

Potential resale of developed location- Talking with our Self Storage broker, he said as an example, if the location used a cap rate of 7 for regular units, use an 8 for Containers. Potential buyers would pay less. Which is okay. Since Containers get no Property Tax, lower maintenance, and also lower Insurance costs, the NOI- Net Operating Income portion of the Cap rate would be more favorable and offset the lower Cap rate of 8.

Potential Capital Gains:  Phase 1 $700k; Phase 2 $2mm; Phase 3 $3.2mm.  This is if we sold.  Does not include monthly cashflow while we hold.

Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early.

A separate post later on risk and why if we are retiring.

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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Ya no retirement for us old dogs.. its too much fun and you need to do something to keep stimulated in my mind.

Also I have seen many of those type of storage facilites all over the US as I travel to the markets I work in..

Good luck with it.. Much easier than building container homes that's for sure.. one of my good buddies has a container building home bizz he has sunk millions into over the last 7 years or so and is just now making a profit ..  Relaventhomes is the name its in Oregon really nice stuff.. he did an 8 plex but it did not sell and I know its underwater.. but he has the dough for these type  of ventures he wanted to do it for environmental reasons was his first motivation. 

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  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Financing:

    Just talked with our banker this morning.  He has been analyzing this new development.  He is actually excited about it, after showing him how we do our market analysis.  They have done another Storage location with us before, so we have a solid relationship.

    A.  The containers are treated as equipment; thus, he is watching the 5-year rates versus the normal 10-year rates for Commerical loans.  Today at 7.4%; two weeks ago, at 6.5%.  The Land and Roads would be based on 10-year rates and have a longer Amort period than the Containers.

    B.  I also asked him to come up with a plan to get us 1% point lower, using other collateral or Cash equivalent (CD) deposits at his bank.  Options we went thru to get 1% lower:

    1.  Deposit into a money market.  Would only make about .75%.  Would be a Liquid position, thus they won't pay more.  We could take anytime we wanted.  

    2.  Deposit into a CD, which the bank will control for 3 or 5 years.  This return would be market rates.  We could not withdraw the funds.  Depending on the dollar amount we moved to their bank, this would achieve 1% point lower loan, plus our Cash we would need to bring to the deal would be reduced by about $30,000.

    3.  Stocks at a Financial advisers-  They don't tie loans to Stocks at other companies any more due to the lack of control and fluctuations.

    C.  Loan Agreement- for his bank all loans over $1mm require a loan agreement.  We have always had "Loans" with all of our banks.  But this "Agreement" would have if our Loan to Value ratio went below XX, we would have to bring Cash to the deal to Level up.  I don't like this, since it is the same as an Option/Trading Call.  I prefer to all aspects of the deal locked in, so I just have to worry about rental occupancy.

    D.  Loan type- Working or Construction line of credit, versus a full loan.  Decided to go with a full loan since this project will come to fruition very quickly.  I did not budget Construction Interest costs into the equation, which I would normally do in a long 1 1/2 year project.  Normally I would ask for Interest only for the first 18 months or till we hit 60% so the project is cash flowing.  This loan we would get 6 months interest only, then switch to P/I.  More risk.  We are in Iowa.  If we miss the rental seasons due to the winter, we could use up the 6 months interest only say from November to March and have very few renters once P/I full payments started.

    The Loan Agreement level up feature is a non issue to us, as long as our occupancy and Rent up phases are on target.

    Decided not to use any of the financing features above.  The 1% interest savings which is about $10,000 per year isn't worth it.  The $30,000 less Cash to the Deal up front isn't worth it.  My view of the world economy is still shaky.  Would rather keep our Cash equivalents on hand so we can take advantage of huge Stock market swings or local land deals.

    Risk- forgot on the previous post.  Yesterday at our County Board of Supervisors our 75-acre Country Subdivision was approved.  We only sell lots with Road and Utilities.  This has reduced our Risk, since we can start to market these lots.  Thus, we are ok taking on more Risk with this Self Storage development project.

    Note:  Any decisions or actions we take, might not be good for you.  This is a combination of our Experience, market analysis, Risk Tolerance, and financial exposure.

    Next steps:  Get the Loan approved.  Then make an offer on the property, Subject to getting a Special Use permit.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Made offer in land.  They came back firm on price.  Plus they want to sell lots from right to left.  This is farm ground.  We made an offer 2 lots over.  We don’t want to buy the next lot since it is lower and the water runoff from our land runs into that property which is lower. 

    Had my realtor

    Go back to them and offer a temporary farm access easement across the back of the lot we want so they can drive their tractors thru.  Will see if that is something they would work with.   Then if they are firm in the price might come back with 1/2 now and 1/2 in 3 years. No interest and see if they are interested.  Could pay full price since numbers work with that but prefer not to.  

  • Real Estate Agent · Kansas City · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    1y

    Fascinating! Leaving a comment to stay tuned on the journey. Learned new things about containers being used for storage. I have been seeing a few storage places pop up that did that similar strategy. One that I saw was a old office building they converted to storage building then used the parking lot for the containers as storage. They fenced around so it's private.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    They rejected first offer.  Moved up another $100,000 on 8 acres from our original offer.  Different time zone so will see if they are interested.  
    It’s nice having our Real Estate agent as part of our team. Overseas in Montecantini Italy having Carbonara and Lobster pasta while he handles the deal.  

    Stay faithful to your team. Don’t penny pinch.  

  • Jaylan ArcherBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2014 · 150 posts · 65 votes
    1y

    Great post! Have you found that the storage containers count towards impermeable or permeable? I know some towns outright won't allow storage containers but didn't know if there were other considerations with containers. 

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  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Our zoning treats as permeable.  Even our rock roads count as permeable.  They have talked about the coverage % but it has never really come up as a concern.  

  • Jaylan ArcherBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2014 · 150 posts · 65 votes
    1y

    The storage containers are so fascinating. I know many towns have caught on and banned them, but the return with them seems so favorable and you can expand at your pace without needing to do significant planning board approvals for an expansion, site work, additional pavement or lighting. I've yet been able to use them but hoping for it in 2026. 

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  • Jaylan ArcherBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Portsmouth, NH · Member since 2014 · 150 posts · 65 votes
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    Have you had any negatives from renting out portable storage containers? Do tenants know they are getting them compared to a 'traditional' unit. Are they typically the same price as the same sized 'traditional' self storage unit?

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  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    We rent up front as cargo containers or conexs.  They are 8x20 so we price as 10x15 compared to the market.  1/2 your market will really like them or other 1/2 won’t like them.  They look more secure but they are the same.  They are more dust and bug tight than traditional units as long as the seals are good.

    They come as 1 trip or new.  Better than a brand new house.  Cargo worthy.  Wind water tight.  Are the three grades.  Prices $3,200; $1,800; $1,250.  Depending on how close you are to a depot.  Then delivery and setting cost.  $250 for 2 unit delivery.  And $100 to set one plus the rock footing.  
    Enjoying the view at Montecantini Alto plus have dinner there.  Tuesday start looking at houses in Montecantini Terme which is at the base of the mountain.  Alto is the top.  

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    Ya no retirement for us old dogs.. its too much fun and you need to do something to keep stimulated in my mind.

    Also I have seen many of those type of storage facilites all over the US as I travel to the markets I work in..

    Good luck with it.. Much easier than building container homes that's for sure.. one of my good buddies has a container building home bizz he has sunk millions into over the last 7 years or so and is just now making a profit ..  Relaventhomes is the name its in Oregon really nice stuff.. he did an 8 plex but it did not sell and I know its underwater.. but he has the dough for these type  of ventures he wanted to do it for environmental reasons was his first motivation. 

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Dinner was great. Beet blue cheese ravioli with pumpkin sauce, beef cheeks and Al dente linguini with meat sauce. 

    No news from my realtor on the land we are trying to buy for this new storage location. Will Wait till Monday to see if we get a counter offer.  

    Meet the immobiliare (realtor) and the Geometra (surveyor, title search, tax, permit, etc person) on Tuesday all set up.  I’ll do a separate post on that. Looking at possibly a home in Montecatini Italy.  

    Remember it's your money you're always right. Self storage is both a great cash flow and appreciation REI product.

    My brother who is working in Livorno Italy will go back early for our family reunion and I’ll meet him to look for a Self storage spot near Dallas for when he goes back in 2 to 3 years.  

    Mean time in Belize my Manager is clearing and prepping 89 acres to plant more teak this rainy season in June July.  Thank goodness for cellphones and the internet.  Will update that post at some point.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Seller won’t accept any offers.  They want to sell from east to west.  Even at asking price.  Understand they want to keep as large a Portion as possible in case a large buyer wants.  We want the next lot over.  Will pass for now.  Will look if any other land can be purchased in this industrial zoning area.  

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Seller won’t accept any offers.  They want to sell from east to west.  Even at asking price.  Understand they want to keep as large a Portion as possible in case a large buyer wants.  We want the next lot over.  Will pass for now.  Will look if any other land can be purchased in this industrial zoning area.  

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