Help Me Put Together This Seller Finance Deal

Help Me Put Together This Seller Finance Deal

Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 66 posts · 17 votes

Hello BP Friends! Would love any help or insight on this one.

I have a seller interested in seller financing. I told him I would get back to him on the terms of the deal and he was open to negotiation.

Back Story:
The house is worth $200,000 if sold on the market with a Realtor. He bought it for $205,000 so he isn't willing to sell it low enough for me to buy it cash and rehab it. His current tenant is 5 months behind on rent. A family of four. Been rough on the house and it probably needs a major clean up, paint and carpet.

Here is what I was thinking of offering (Open to suggestions)

$185,000 purchase price
3.75% interest rate, 30 amortization
Balloon payment due in 10 years, but no prepayment penalty if I pay it off earlier
Interest only payments for the first 2 years (Give me cushion to deal with the eviction, clean up, etc.

Now here are the numbers for me:
Monthly Payment, insurance, taxes and maintenance- $1265 Per month
Average rent in the area $1600-1700

I have three ideas for the property 1. Hold it as a rental, 2. Lease Option it, 3. Hold it for 1-2 years and see if it appreciates then sell it.

Deal or no deal??? Any suggestions on price, interest rate, etc??

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  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    13y

    Unless this comes with land you could divide into other lots or sell off for development you are looking at an appreciation play.

    I you get in owner finance with little to nothing down and non-recourse if things go bad then it might work. If the person financing wants a big guarantee and money down this is not something you want to do.

    The rent for that sales price is not good at all. I know your market is way overheated and people are buying on speculation of price increases.

  • Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 66 posts · 17 votes
    13y

    Joel Owens Do you suggest I lower my sales price?

  • Investor · Central Valley, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    Does the seller own it free and clear? Do you have good comps and what are they?

  • Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 66 posts · 17 votes
    13y

    @K. Marie Poe Yes, seller owns it free and clear. He bought it wish cash at $205. The comps are around $200-210. My original intent is fix and flip but there is no way he is going to let it go for the amount I need to buy it out. Which is why I thought to do seller financing and get "creative." Any thoughts on what I can do to put something together, or is this a NO DEAL? Thanks for all your help!

  • Investor · Central Valley, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    In my world there's no deal there. I don't know where you got $185K. It's a property with non-paying tenants and trashed. Evictions, repairs, closing costs and holding costs would have you in at or over FMV before you got it rented. My guess is you came up with 185K as the seller may take that price. (And he should because it's not worth $185K given the circumstances.)

    I suggest making your offers on what will work for your exit strategy. If you want it to rehab and resell then make an offer that works for that and move on. We don't really KNOW anything about what a seller will accept. We think we know, but we don't. Things change everyday. And there's nothing like an offer in hand to change someone's mind, today or tomorrow. I'd have no problem offering $135K for that property, stressing the risks and unknown costs of dealing with the seller's crappy tenants. But that's me.

  • Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 66 posts · 17 votes
    13y

    You are right. I'll offer $135 and call it a day. :)

  • Investor · Central Valley, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    Lauren: don't offer to take the property totally as-is with the tenants in place unless you have the stomach for it and the capital reserves. It could take you longer than you think to get rid of them and they could do real damage. And bang you up emotionally if you're not careful. That being said, IMO the seller has a real problem on his hands, otherwise the tenants would be out by now.

    Any idea why he let them stay for 5 months without evicting? I ask that, but it's not like I don't know how it happens. My daughter's boyfriend came over yesterday to ask me to help his Mom, who has tenants that have paid only partial rents for almost a year and have trashed the house. She owns the house free and clear, so she hasn't been forced to deal with it. Now she has a freshman in college and needs the income. And property taxes are due on the December 10th. Sigh.

  • Orange, CA · Member since 2012 · 66 posts · 17 votes
    13y

    K. Marie Poe:

    Thank you for the advice, I totally agree. He let them stay because she was a tenant of his at another rental he had and she used to pay until she lost her job. She keeps saying she'll pay him when her tax return comes in... Seems like a nightmare. I'm not sure I have the stomach for it. I guess there will be other deals.

  • Involved In Real Estate · Rochester Hills, MI · Member since 2010 · 812 posts · 178 votes
    13y

    You're not going to make an offer because of a tenant? Just make an offer that makes sense and evict when you own. It is CA though so they could make your life hell. May want to have him evict and put the property on an option when it's done.

  • Investor · Central Valley, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    Joe Delia My experience is that taking over tenants, even very difficult ones, can be profitable. It's one of my niches. Asking the seller to do the eviction is risky because, in truth, any person with common sense and clarity can do it. In many cases, once the problem tenant is gone, the property is not a problem and the sellers think they can recover their losses by fixing and rerenting. My offer is I'll buy it as-is, sometimes without an inspection, and you never have to see it or the tenants again.

    I'm not sure the OP can get a deal on a property that's owned free and clear if the landlord does the eviction. But it never hurts to ask!

  • Involved In Real Estate · Rochester Hills, MI · Member since 2010 · 812 posts · 178 votes
    13y

    Just offering up a solution when she thought dealing with the tenant was too scary.

    I personally would have no problem getting rid of them. Although, if they play the games they did with will benard i'd be tempted to break something.

  • Investor · Anaheim, CA · Member since 2013 · 16 posts · 3 votes
    13y

    Hi Lauren
    We are fellow OC new investers. I am curious as to what happened with this deal. Did you make an offer on it?
    Steve

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