​Foreclosure Auctions in Collin County Texas

​Foreclosure Auctions in Collin County Texas

Plano, TX · Member since 2014 · 197 posts · 33 votes

So a couple of my friends are thinking of purchasing properties at foreclosure auctions and it sparked my interest. The idea of purchasing a home at an auction was really appealing but I am not sure of how well it pays off. My previous investment properties were all bought through a realtor with 25% down, the more conventional way. I am hoping to figure out the most profitable way to purchase the houses. Is it better to try and purchase directly from the homeowner or at the foreclosure auction itself. I figured it was worth a look and this is what I have found so far.

I started by searching for foreclosures in my local area, for me this is Collin County Texas with a focus on Plano, Frisco, McKinney, Dallas, Sherman, and the north suburban DFW area. A lot of this information I found on the county websites through the tax-assessors office. They upload the “ Substitute of Trustee” sale documents and you can view them, about 50% of them have the address listed. The other ones list the CAD address by block, I haven’t figured out how to decipher those yet. I am guessing a trip to the County Assessors office will let me know how. After I have the address and name I have been putting together analysis on the houses.


I have compiled a list of about 22 houses set to be auction on May 3rd. I really want to see how the sales price compares to the principal balance on the house as well as the average price per square foot for the zip code. Once I am able to recognize a deal it will be about creating a lead funnel for the distressed homeowners. I tried to put myself in the shoes of someone being foreclosed on and came away with a couple of things I think are important to consider. What is the person scared of? How other people will view them. Really they would do anything to stay in their house and keep going forward like nothing ever happened.

It is amazing the amount of resources there are out there to compile this type of data together. You can really get an amazing perspective on local real estate through the county website and some other resources. I have been able to figure out the equity stake the homeowner has, who they are, and get a good idea of the value of the property through the comps.

I will update the post once I have a little more data put together.

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Greg H.Pro Member
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Broker/Flipper · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
10y

@Mark S.

The properties are listed by their legal description as the physical address is not required in legal documents

If y'all are interested in purchasing at the courthouse steps I suggest the following:

-Subscribe to the Roddy Report(Foreclosure Listing Service as Michael listed as it contains information that would take hours and hours to compile

-Go to the auctions for several months as an observer as lack of knowledge and planning in this arena as mistakes can cost you tens of thousands of dollars

-Understand payment is in cash the day of the auction

- Keep in mind in bigger counties like Collin there are big $$$ professionals

-To your question of is it better to buy from the owner before the auction ?  Keep in mind those same professionals are calling, mailing and camping out at the owner's house to make a deal. Once the Notice of Foreclosure is posted, you have as little as 21 days to make the deal happen.  

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  • Real Estate Broker · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 607 votes
    10y

    One thing you have to consider is that if someone can't pay the mortgage, they probably aren't maintaining the property that well.  I personally can't stomach auction prices unless I have the opportunity to inspect the property in advance.   Pre-foreclosure candidates are inundated w/ solicitations in DFW.   Really, the only reason a home should even get to foreclosure here is homeowners' self-denial that it will happen.

    Another factor (to my understanding) is that a lot of unsavory folks are using the auctions as a money laundering mechanism, which if true, means they're probably not as concerned about over-paying.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    10y

    @Dean Weltman@Chris Soignier  Dean back in 2013 I had identified ATL as a prime foreclosure market and set up a team there..  we had a nice run competing only against locals ( bought 54 homes that year)... then the hedgefunds came in.. and it was GAME OVER.. what we were paying 40 to 60k for they bid up by 50 to 100% and we were toast.. As we don't buy anything that can't be sold in 90 days for a targeted profit.

    Chris,  I have never seen or heard of money laundering at our foreclosure auctions.. And I have set up teams in many states... What I personally see is the 2 or 3 big players ( local guys) who have 3 to 10 million in cash to play.. bunches of one off... and now the new phenom the Hedge fund buyer.. But if you think about it if they just wanted to pay retail they could spend a lot of cash very quickly.

    no clue how to launder money.. but at Sheriffs sales were the Sherriff is sitting there taking the checks I see that as ironic  drug kingpin handing Sherrif a check  LOL

  • Agent/Investor · Murphy, TX · Member since 2013 · 542 posts · 304 votes
    10y

    @Jay Hinrichs, people are showing up to the auctions with cash, stacks and stacks of $100 bills.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    10y

    @Todd Plambeck  HOLY SHEEEET  I have never seen that... WOW....Next thing you know the bad guys are going to know there is guys walking around with suit cases full of bread and they will ambush them  ... kind of like a Armored car stick up....

  • Real Estate Broker · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 607 votes
    10y

    Jay, I got that feedback from Arnie Abramson, who has as much expertise and experience on Texas auctions (particularly tax auctions) as anyone.    Think about it, they're essentially a cash purchase, then you hold it for a couple of years, deposit proceeds in bank as legit real estate sale.   I can't comfirm or deny this, but it's what I heard and sounds plausible.

  • Real Estate Broker · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 607 votes
    10y

    Jay, nobody's going to show up to an auction wearing a shirt that says "drug dealer" on it.    They're discreet enough that you may not realize it, but long-time insiders do.

  • Greg H.Pro Member
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    Broker/Flipper · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    10y

    How would the Trustee Get around the requirement to file the IRS form for accepting cash payments over $10,000 ? I can't imagine a Trustee is exempt. The Trustee will have all kinds of issues depositing that amount of cash 

  • Plano, TX · Member since 2014 · 197 posts · 33 votes
    10y

    Thanks everyone for your responses.  Yeah there is definitely a lot of competition in the market right now.  We have been door knocking yesterday and are going to hit some more homes this weekend.  I can understand why a hedge fund would come into the market, there are still great deals to be made.  I checked out last months auctions and quite a few of them did not get bid up very much and would have still been good deals.  I am sure it just takes some time to find the right one.  Like on the new podcast with Andrew Cushman, there are not many people willing to make 4500 cold calls to close the sale.

    I have been able to set up some great excel spreadsheets to find the best deals.  I figure if we hit the most profitable homes the hardest then we can have the biggest rewards for our efforts.

    I will let you know how the weekend goes!

  • Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    Thanks to all for the very informative thread.  I'm new to foreclosure investing, and for those with a similar lack of experience, there is an interesting looking training class this weekend.  Roddy, the guy who runs the 4closure.info website referenced above, is doing a reasonably priced training class tomorrow in Addison on foreclosure and tax lien investing.  I am attending and thought others on this thread might be interested as well.  Here's a link to the class information:  http://roddy.com/

  • Allen, TX · Member since 2015 · 1 post · 0 votes
    10y

    Mark, would you be able to pass along some information about attending the Collin County auctions? Trying to learn a bit more about it and interested in attending. Thanks.

  • Investor · The Colony, TX · Member since 2014 · 6 posts · 3 votes
    10y

    @Mark S. Thanks for the updates. 

    Great thread.

  • Plano, TX · Member since 2014 · 197 posts · 33 votes
    10y

    Thx @Daniel Klein for the information about the seminar, the website was great I bet the seminar could be good too.  

    I have my list of the houses I am targeting before the auction.  I finished it earlier, it is based on hitting the higher margin while staying within my purchase guidelines.  I am targeting homes which have about $125k in remaining balance on the loan.  The information is mostly from 4closure.info and Zillow.

    I hit two houses so far today.  Both appear vacant, but I think there is a chance someone is still living in the homes.  I was able to get in touch with some of the neighbors who gave me some ideas about tracking down the owners.  So far I have focused on Plano.

    Wish me luck!

  • Plano, TX · Member since 2014 · 197 posts · 33 votes
    10y

    Also I am hosting a meet up for local real estate investors next Tuesday at 12p.  We are meeting at Nikolas in the The Shops at Legacy in Plano.  Let me know if you are interested in coming.

    Thx

  • Investor · Grapevine, TX · Member since 2014 · 88 posts · 75 votes
    10y

    The last few auctions in Tarrant county had an increase of out-of-state investors, especially California. They wasted money like there was no tomorrow, essentially paid full mls price on foreclosure s that definitely needed fixes. Local investors, new and old, found it quite disturbing. I personally decided to avoid auctions because of that. Some long time property managers around here refuse to work with them because they don't account for fixes and vacancy, and some of them go bankrupt the moment the market slows down. My property manager has seen it happen multiple times, especially with the young investor crowd from California, who fantasize too much about appreciation. Later on, reality will hit them hard.

  • Plano, TX · Member since 2014 · 197 posts · 33 votes
    10y

    Thx for the comment @Mark H. The prices for the last auction for McKinney seemed to be about 25% below MLS comps. I think that seems like high prices after you figure in fixing all the properties. It almost seems like it is better to work in some areas smaller than Plano.

    So far I have hit six doors and called a bunch of people.  The hit rate has been pretty low and the people are usually not very happy about you talking to them.  That is pretty understandable.

    A lot of the houses are actually vacant though.  I am guessing there a couple primary reasons for that, divorce, death and bankruptcy.  I think the hardest part is actually tracking down the home owner to talk to.  

    I am heading back out this afternoon to talk to some more people.  I will let you know if I have any luck

  • Investor · The Colony, TX · Member since 2014 · 192 posts · 66 votes
    10y

    @Mark S. How was the door knocking this weekend, any luck?  

  • Agent/Investor · Murphy, TX · Member since 2013 · 542 posts · 304 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Dean Weltman:

    @Mark S. How was the door knocking this weekend, any luck?  

     I'm interested in your progress as well.  Hope you had an umbrella and galoshes!

  • Plano, TX · Member since 2014 · 197 posts · 33 votes
    10y

    Hey @Dean Weltman and @Todd Plambeck,

    Door knocking went well this weekend.  My friend had a much higher response rate than I did.  He talked to several people and they were all positive at least.  The two people I got in touch with, over the phone, were much more pissed.  He has some promising prospects.

    A lot of the houses I went to I think are abandoned or have someone hiding out in them.  Have you guys had any experience with them?  I was thinking about using Intelius to try and track them down...

    I will let you know if we can get one of the deals to close.  

    See you guys at the meet up tomorrow.  Just a reminder it is at Nikolas in the Shops at Legacy at 12p, the restaurant is located at The Shops at Legacy, 5800 Legacy Dr, Plano, TX 75024

    The reservation is in my name, you can PM me if you have any issues finding us.  Thx!

  • Agent/Investor · Murphy, TX · Member since 2013 · 542 posts · 304 votes
    10y

    If you think it's abandoned, bring your water meter box key and see if the meter is turned off and/or padlocked. 

  • Plano, TX · Member since 2014 · 197 posts · 33 votes
    10y

    @Todd Plambeck

    What do you do once you figure out it is abandoned?  I guess my thinking is most people just give up without putting a ton of effort into trying to figure out who the person is and getting in touch with them.  I am not sure, I guess I will find out how to do it.  It cant be that hard

  • Agent/Investor · Murphy, TX · Member since 2013 · 542 posts · 304 votes
    10y

    Ask the neighbors, one is always them always knows everything and is willing to share.  Then onto skip tracing.

  • Investor · Austin TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y

    Mark I would suggest Facebook. I have actually found more than one homeowner this way. I have unfortunately also sent messages to a few people who were not the homeowners I was looking for but its a great way to find people and to get a little bit of insight about who they are. 

  • Plano, TX · Member since 2014 · 197 posts · 33 votes
    10y

    Hey everyone,

    Thanks for your help with the ideas of tracking down people.  So far I haven't had a ton of luck getting in touch with homeowners, my partner has had some more luck but hasn't been able to close any deals yet.  With the auction looming around the corner it will be very hard to close in time before the house hits the auction steps.

    Does anyone know how often the homes go back on the foreclosure list?  It looks like quite a few of them have been on there before, maybe 50%....  I am guessing this is evidence of the banks trying to get the homeowner back on track.

    Thx again for your help

  • Agent/Investor · Murphy, TX · Member since 2013 · 542 posts · 304 votes
    10y

    So how'd the auction go today?  Any luck?

  • Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    Hello All,

    This is a great thread. I'd like if we could keep it going. It's been over a year now since the last post. Can anyone update with recent experiences? Thanks. 

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