Off market 6 unit deal analysis-- should probably do it but...

Off market 6 unit deal analysis-- should probably do it but...

Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes

This off-market deal came across my desk today: https://www.biggerpockets.com/buy_and_hold_results...

Rare 6 unit in a hot market (literally first 6 unit I've seen for sale here in years). High-appreciation area with steadily rising rents (avg. appreciation 6.9%, rent increase 7.2% 2018). I own a quad just down the street that has had 0% vacancy, 10% appreciation, 10% rent increase last few years. The building is a late 70's 6 unit consisting of 1200ft2 townhome-style apartments, all 2bd 1.5ba with private decks, off street parking. Units are in decent condition but dated with plenty of room for value-ad. Currently rented to long term tenants, 25-30% under market. Rents could be pushed to $1,350 easily as-is (lipstick only) or potentially $1,750 fully updated (rentometer says $1950 average but it's a below average building for the neighborhood). Class C+ building in a solid B+/A- area (just across the street from a popular lake and surrounded by mostly nice SFH in the $350-500k range). Good school district. W/D in units.

Inspection report looks pretty good: nothing major, 4 furnaces from the 80's, 2 others are new, water heaters need replacing soon, EPDM roof 10 yrs old good condition, some windows newer vinyl others original need replacing, foundation and bones pretty good. The plan would be to keep everything going as-is minus necessary repairs like windows and water heaters, then update the units and max out rents as they turn. 

What I like is that this is in one of the last "affordable" areas of Boulder County where average home price is $550k and average condo is $400k. Tons of new restaurants and breweries are going in downtown which is 1 mile away. Our other buildings nearby perform well and the area is up and coming with great upside potential.

I usually shoot for $500/door positive cash flow and this isn't there but it can get there in 2 years. COC isn't stellar at a mere 7.72% but if appreciation continues on pace that could easily be six figures per year so we could potentially refi and pull all our cash out in a year or two (although I don't usually do that because I'm too stingy to pay closing costs twice and sourcing capital for deals isn't an issue). The building is set up townhome-style with kitchen/living/half bath on 1st level, 2 beds full bath upstairs, and is individually metered so it would be possible to sell off units as townhomes for ~$210k easy as-is or potentially ~$300k ea. with ~$20k in upgrades/unit. That will probably be the exit strategy but for now we'd be looking to hold.

My main hesitation is due to limited bandwidth. We just had our 3rd boy so we now have 3 high maintenance boys under 4yrs old. I already do repairs and maintenance on 19 units, so not really looking forward to all the headaches inherent in taking on a new 6 unit property built in the 70's (I would outsource more but it's nearly impossible to find quality labor around here, this is a boom town likely cresting the market cycle so all the non-methhead workers are booked solid for months and the smart ones stick to new construction or high-end stuff and wouldn't return my calls on most of this crap. One day my boys will swing hammers at something besides their brother's heads lol). With all the tenants being long-term I know there is a ton of deferred maintenance waiting for me. Taking on a new property is always time-consuming in my experience and I don't have any of that at the moment. The water heaters are in tight crawl spaces which I dislike, it's got swamp coolers which I dislike, and pretty much all the other work that needs doing just doesn't look enjoyable and I'm already too busy. I was hoping my next purchase would be closer to our house and a higher quality building that I would enjoy working on more, so I'm not over the moon on this deal just for those personal reasons. But compared to any other deals I've seen around here in the past year, the numbers are enticing so should probably suck it up and pull the trigger... Thoughts?

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Rental Property Investor · Greenwich, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
7y

@Steve K., time to get a good property manager. Stop wasting your time on low-value tasks. The 10% will be well worth it Let someone else collect rent and unclog toilets while you play with your kids. Sure, you may still need to handle some of the repairs due to your tight labor market, but off-load what you can.

Opportunities don't arise when they're convenient, but you've got one knocking now--open the door!

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  • Rental Property Investor · Greenwich, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Steve K., time to get a good property manager. Stop wasting your time on low-value tasks. The 10% will be well worth it Let someone else collect rent and unclog toilets while you play with your kids. Sure, you may still need to handle some of the repairs due to your tight labor market, but off-load what you can.

    Opportunities don't arise when they're convenient, but you've got one knocking now--open the door!

  • Realtor · Denver, CO · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    Looks like the deal was pulled from this site. Is it off market?

  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2013 · 919 posts · 911 votes
    7y

    @Steve K., I'd get a home warranty for the 'fix' part of PM while still keeping the PMing to myself.  

    These sound like nice places, so you shouldn't run into late pays or no pays too often.  You still screen the tenants and save a LOT of $$$.

  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jaysen Medhurst:

    @Steve K., time to get a good property manager. Stop wasting your time on low-value tasks. The 10% will be well worth it Let someone else collect rent and unclog toilets while you play with your kids. Sure, you may still need to handle some of the repairs due to your tight labor market, but off-load what you can.

    Opportunities don't arise when they're convenient, but you've got one knocking now--open the door!

     Jaysen thanks for your feedback and motivation. We do have a great PM that handles leasing, emergency toilet clogs, tenant drama etc. for 7% and everything else a la carte as needed which works really well for me. We've had them in place about a year and I’ve been leveraging them more and more... we have a few  properties fixed up enough to a point that I rarely go to them but with new properties I just know I will be involved, especially seeing as it’s a 70’s build that has likely been hacked apart by cut rate handymen for decades. With my background as a carpenter I’ve seen how the sausage is made, I’ll never be completely hands-off because my strategy is value-ad which requires expertise and at the very least a lot of oversight and decision making. First step will be to triage and prioritize what gets done first and how. I find doing certain things myself is faster, always cheaper and to be honest it’s the only way to know for certain it won’t need to be done over in a year. But I’m delegating more and more as time goes by through building better teams and managing them better. Our PMs maintenance team is really great as far as PM maintenance teams go but the standard for PM maintenance teams is extremely low in my professional experience as a lifelong carpenter doing restorations and high end fine carpentry, you’re not gonna find that level of quality on a budget that works with rentals but that’s what I bring to the table. I typically work on new properties a lot until I get the major items checked off, make them as bombproof as possible then let the PM take over. Works well for me. 

    After sleeping on it I'm considering buying it, making minor lipstick improvements then listing on the MLS. That approach won't be as profitable long term and flipping isn't usually my strategy but I think we can make some decent quick money with much less effort than fixing it up to keep as a buy and hold. Properties like this get multiple offers above asking on the MLS even at a 4 cap in this area so that might be the best option considering my bandwidth at this point in time...

  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Matt M.:

    Looks like the deal was pulled from this site. Is it off market?

    I used the BP calculator but the deal is off market. A friend has it under contract but is leaning towards terminating in order to use the down payment funds for something else that works better for their 1031 situation so it was offered to us.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Indiana...mostly · Member since 2019 · 468 posts · 245 votes
    7y

    Obviously I don't know enough about your situation to make a real recommendation but since you're looking for our thoughts here's what I think:  If you've grown to the point you are at over 5 years (10 would be better) it seems to me that you could be fine adding this property based on experience in the business and the young ages of the boys.

    I say this because I would have needed 7 years to handle this many - with or without a PM - and with 3 small children.  (My wife and I have 4 over a 6 year span.  They are much older than yours now.  But when they are small you know where to find them to spend time with them.  So your situation would be manageable for me.  So i suspect it would be manageable for you.)  I suspect taking on the property will mean extra work for your wife/partner also because it will draw you away from the boys some.  So you'll need buy in from that party also.

    I suspect you know your market very well.  So I wouldn't even begin to presume to comment on the numbers.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    Do it 

  • Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2016 · 530 posts · 398 votes
    7y

    Looks like a great deal and i support buying it. Who knows, you may end up keeping it once you see it performing after your rehab.

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    hesitation, limited bandwidth, high maintenance, not looking forward, headaches, nearly impossible, most of this crap, ton of deferred maintenance, time-consuming, tight crawl spaces, dislike, doesn't look enjoyable, already too busy, not over the moon...  This is what investors do.

    I believe this is more of a personal goal question than a real estate question.

  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    7y

    Thanks for the feedback and encouragement everybody, definitely reaffirms my inclination to go for it. 

    If I'm too busy to fix the place up immediately I'll just do the minimum required until I have more time to make repairs and upgrades. It's coming fully occupied and in decent enough condition to continue operating as-is so I'm not sure why I was feeling overwhelmed by the idea when there's really no rush to do a ton of work on it. Just the sleep dep talking I guess, combined with a rough year in landlording paradise with an unusual amount of churn as well as unexpected cap ex: a gnarly eviction, a tenant that OD'd in a unit, a hailstorm that trashed a $30k roof, another hail storm that did a lot of random damage with hail chunks a tenant described as being cauliflower head/cannonball sized which broke a solid oak deck handrail among many other things on the property, a sewer line that needed to be replaced which required jack hammering up the slab in a kitchen I had just finished fully remodeling, plus the new baby and the two other babies it's been quite a long year already so far. Maybe this property will help turn things around. Our goal was to hit 30 units in 5 years. We're 4 years in and have been stuck at 19 units for about a year so this deal will put us back on track. It'll be an adjustment for me because I usually dive in and do a ton of work on new properties but I will just have to scale that back or get better at outsourcing this time. 

    @Rocco Montana and @Matt M. it's in NE Longmont, near McIntosh Lake. I'll let you guys know if we pass. We have until Tuesday to decide. Thanks again everyone for the advice. 

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