Can you learn syndication without a mentor?

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Developer · Charlottesville, VA · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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@Austin Works yes one of the best resources is @Joe Fairless and @Theo Hicks book, podcast and other resources. You can also find tons of resources on youtube as well as other podcasts.

Next best way would be to invest passively with a company like Joe's and learn from the process.

It would be best to do your first deal with an experienced investor/syndicator or hire a coach or mentor once you're ready to take the leap and do your own deals.

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y

    sure.. I did a few with no mentor.

  • Developer · Charlottesville, VA · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    @Austin Works yes one of the best resources is @Joe Fairless and @Theo Hicks book, podcast and other resources. You can also find tons of resources on youtube as well as other podcasts.

    Next best way would be to invest passively with a company like Joe's and learn from the process.

    It would be best to do your first deal with an experienced investor/syndicator or hire a coach or mentor once you're ready to take the leap and do your own deals.

  • Investor · West Monroe, LA · Member since 2015 · 196 posts · 70 votes
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    @Greg Dickerson thanks for the info, I will check these out. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2019 · 26 posts · 16 votes
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    @Austin Works I have been going through the Syndication school information provided by @Joe Fairless. It is pretty extensive and it is free which is crazy with the amount of content it provides.

    I went ahead and bought his book “The Best Every Apartment Syndication Book” and it is ACTUALLY what the title says. I highly recommend it. I really like how it breaks out each step in the sequence of becoming an Apartment Syndicator.

    Although I still feel like a mentor would be helpful for some of the specific details of doing things like underwriting and due diligence. I feel like 85% of the information required is out there if you look for it.

  • Specialist · Plainville, CT · Member since 2015 · 478 posts · 389 votes
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    @Austin Works- I would not even think about accepting a single investor dollar unless you had a solid sounding board (coach, mentor, guru, whatever).  If you've never successfully done a syndication, you will ultimately be placing your investors at a significant level of risk.  Me and @Ben Leybovich were just talking about this recently (you have to know how "the movie" will play out).  Doing what @Greg Dickerson suggested and seeing "how the sausage is made" as a passive investor is a wise move as well.  Plus you will probably struggle to get commitments from investors anyway, once they discover that you have no track record, so you may need that mentor to lean on as a sponsor or key principal.  Sorry, wasn't trying to suck the life out of the room... just trying to be helpful.  lol

  • John FortesPro Member
    Multi-Family Syndicator · Abington, MA · Member since 2017 · 603 posts · 347 votes
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    Investing passively is the best way to learn the model as you will have an eye on your capital and learn from what the sponsor is doing. After a few investments and other means of education, people start exploring options and ways to get involved. This then turns into getting your own deals. 

    At the same time, everyone learns differently so if you learn better by having guidance, then consider a mentor. 

  • Kim Lisa TaylorPro Member
    Attorney · Saint Augustine, FL · Member since 2016 · 247 posts · 234 votes
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    @Austin Works, You can learn real estate syndication without a mentor, but you can easily make $100,000 mistakes if you don’t have one. A good mentor can keep you from making rookie mistakes that could cost you time, money, and your reputation. When you are dealing with other people’s money, you should get the best guidance that you can afford.

  • Investor · West Monroe, LA · Member since 2015 · 196 posts · 70 votes
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    @Chris Tracy I completely agree with this, I know there are two sides to this equation. I am just not sure that the value is there for me to spend $10,000 for a remote mentor to send me video clips and articles. I've been very successful at learning (so far) from books, podcasts and networking with other investors. I know many pursue the mentor route as a way to try and skip putting in the hard work to learn a skill. I personally enjoy learning and spend a great deal of time educating myself. I was just curious if it was possible to self educate on this matter enough to find a deal, and maybe syndicate it under an established sponsor? Or maybe something similar? I know books can only take you so far. 

  • Investor · West Monroe, LA · Member since 2015 · 196 posts · 70 votes
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    @John Fortes what should I look for when choosing a syndicator to invest with? Is a sponsor obligated to share their strategy in detail with investors? Or do some share more than others? I'm not at all opposed to this route, it seems very fitting for my situation. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Glen Rock, NJ · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Austin,
    When selecting a sponsor to work with you would want to
    1) ensure they have a solid track record and their offering fits your long term goals
    2) be fully transparent about your future plans and advise them that you're interested in learning and hence will be asking many questions. If they're ok with such strategy, they will let you know up front. 

    In general when looking for a sponsor to work with you would want to ask them about their track record and experience. Here's a post to help you come up with the questions to ask.

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/10850/76728-questions-to-ask-a-syndicator


    Originally posted by @Austin Works:

    @John Fortes what should I look for when choosing a syndicator to invest with? Is a sponsor obligated to share their strategy in detail with investors? Or do some share more than others? I'm not at all opposed to this route, it seems very fitting for my situation. 

  • John FortesPro Member
    Multi-Family Syndicator · Abington, MA · Member since 2017 · 603 posts · 347 votes
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    Thank you for nailing it @Alina Trigub. @Austin Works at the end of the day, you want someone you are comfortable with after you due that sourcing. Who knows, you might enjoy passive investing more than becoming a syndicator as it might free to you to do something you truly love to do on a daily basis. Knowing you have that capital to work and putting it to work consistently will free up your most valuable commodity, that my friend, is time. 

  • Investor · Alameda, CA · Member since 2016 · 132 posts · 170 votes
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    @Austin Works - the smart folks on here have already nailed it - @Greg Dickerson @Alina Trigub @John Fortes @Kim Lisa Taylor @Chris Tracy.

    I'll share my personal experience on this topic. When I was getting started, I used both strategies in combination: 

    • Strategy #1: Invest as an LP in an experienced operator's multifamily syndication
    • Strategy #2: Partner with mentors/coaches. I used multiple coaching programs and still subscribe to a couple actively, on-going. 

    I found this approach to be highly effective. Even though you aren't looking for a mentor program, i'll still recommend that you consider it.

    I captured some of my learnings from mentee perspective in this Forbes article. Hope you find value in it: Trust Your Guru: Three Ways To Vet Real Estate Investing Coaches

  • Baltimore, MD · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    @Travis Gibson greetings can you share a few specific things that makes Joe Fairless program good. I am trying to.figure out the best training & don't want waste money on programs that may not be the best.

  • Covington, LA · Member since 2014 · 293 posts · 102 votes
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    @Austin Works, full disclosure. I'm a mentor. But the answer is yes, you can learn syndication without one. You can learn anything without a mentor. The reason you get a mentor is to avoid costly mistakes, and to pay for speed, support and accountability. Additionally, some mentorship programs have partnership opportunities and plug you into an investing network or a rolodex of team players that you can use to execute your deals. So, you really just need to evaluate the reasons for going with a mentor verse not going with a mentor, but you absolutely can do it without one. Mentorship should be the same as any real estate investment- Whats the ROI?

  • Specialist · Tampa, FL · Member since 2012 · 933 posts · 492 votes
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    @Austin Works, absolutely! Anything is possible. Really all depends on the person, their attitude and mindset. If you feel like you need a mentor, then you do! If you feel like you don't need a mentor, then you don't! Are you willing to buy all the books you need to educate yourself? Take trips around the country to different seminars on multifamily and syndication? Listen to podcast all day every day? Without a mentor, it will take a little longer than it would if you had one. Can you hold yourself accountable, to keep pressing forward when the results you're seeking are not happening right away? Just some things for you to think about.

  • Investor · West Monroe, LA · Member since 2015 · 196 posts · 70 votes
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    @Tj Hines I am definitely a self motivated person, but your reply actually triggers another question for me; Are seminars truly beneficial? I've been under the impression that these are geared toward selling mentor-ship programs - are they actually informational?

  • Specialist · Tampa, FL · Member since 2012 · 933 posts · 492 votes
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    @Austin Works yes these seminars can be informational. Ive been to a few of @Rod Khleifs events. There was no pitching or selling. Now granted there are some seminars that are pitched filled. @Michael Blank and @Joe Fairless have great boot camps and courses. With that being said the biggest take away with these events is the networking and relationships formed. That you can’t put a price on.

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