Are there buyers for newly constructed Nevada 10 CAP 4 plex's?

Are there buyers for newly constructed Nevada 10 CAP 4 plex's?

property manager · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2012 · 502 posts · 171 votes

Can I bounce a possible project off you all? I need objective opinions and any comments will be appreciated.

The Newer Nevada State Prison is 2.5 hours north of Vegas. There is no decent rental housing in the town area of about 10,000 population. I spoke to the Warden and she asked that we do an 40 unit apartment complex, 10-4plex buildng project for the guards to rent. She is confident they would absorb all 40 units as there are units being rented now that only have wood heat they are so old. There are other employment sources with this being predominately a gold, silver and rare earth mining and ranching area. The only traditional multi family is a 7 unit building.

Sounds as if the lenders will finance only a portion of the project, unless some of the buildings are pre sold to take them out, then they will commit to the entire project.

Because of the rural area, do you think the tenant base would be strong enough for investors to be interested in buying a few of the individual 4-plexes once they were rented or rent guaranteed at a 10 CAP? We crunched numbers with a contractor and due to the development costs, it doesn't pencil to build a smaller number of units. I am struggling with the rural issue the most.

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Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
13y

Have you considered developing a mobile home park instead?

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  • Brandon TurnerPro Member
    Investor · Maui, HI · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    Hey Tiger M. - it sure is an interesting idea. Are you considering building and then renting, or building and selling as condos? Or selling as 4-plexes?

  • property manager · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2012 · 502 posts · 171 votes
    13y

    Brandon Turner Thanks for the input!
    We will have to build and rent to the guards, then sell each 4-plex. The warden stated the average term for the guards is about 3 years. The financing is what forces the sale or they would just be held. We just need to figure out what CAP rate it is going to be sufficient to warrant enough interest to sell 4-5 of them.

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    Have you considered developing a mobile home park instead?

  • property manager · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2012 · 502 posts · 171 votes
    13y

    I like the way you think. When this began, we did discuss this with Clayton Homes, however, the city/county wont let us in this location. They have issues with existing trailers they want gone. So we found a location that is a short drag for public utilities master planned for multifamily. The casino in the town call the shots.

  • Don KonipolBusiness Member
    Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    13y

    Don't give up on this, you have a demand, no competition and a good return. Hire a connected local attorney to get whatever you want through planning. Because of demand vs cost, a nicer type mobile home park wil be your best ROI.

    Private Mortgage Financing Partners, LLC
  • property manager · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2012 · 502 posts · 171 votes
    13y

    Don Konipol So go back to Clayton and buy the mobiles to rent? I have a bank that will do the site development for stick built, I can ask about park financing I suppose. It is UDSA backed. These users aren't buyers. They live there for a couple years and move up the food chain. I think you need a project! Actually, now that i joked about it, the investors would probably slice off a chunk of the project if your thoughts materialize. Let me know if you feel like talking to them. My expertise in outside this side of the box.

  • Real Estate Investor · Rimforest, CA · Member since 2012 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Hi Tiger

    Interesting! Everything depends on the timeline, the amount of $$ that would be needed to get in (and the timing of that of course)...and the Cap rate matters too.

    Cap Rate of 10 makes it sound more like an in-town deal to me, but LV is not my market, so maybe I am mistaken. At a better Cap, and depending on the particulars, I would be interested. Greater risk due to the rural area/lower renter base. Where is the reward for that risk to be found in this deal?

    S. Barnes

  • property manager · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2012 · 502 posts · 171 votes
    13y

    Steven Barnes thats what i'm trying to figure out for the development group. What CAP will fly to move a couple since they can't keep them all. My job is to make the deal work for everyone. If 10 isn't tasty then what is bold enough to make it happen. 11? 12? The acquisition will just be a non binding pre-construction LOI contract to show the bank there is interest to get them built. I have the preliminary offering projections 90% complete and can send an package in about 10 days showing sales price, P & L and down payment required. I cant finish the offering until I figure out what CAP it will take to move 4-5 buildings.
    This is planned for March 2013, occupancy July-August, 2013, which is when sales could close.
    What do you think makes the most sense?

  • Real Estate Investor · Rimforest, CA · Member since 2012 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Well, 12% is certainly better than 10%... For me, the Cap Rate by itself doesn't tell me enough, so it is hard to say where the magic rate lives, particularly on an unusual deal like this.

    I would be interested to see your package!

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    The rural/single employer aspects introduce the risk. You know this. Is there a secondary exit if the prison makes a change?

    Jumping off my ealier suggestion of developing a mobile home park, can you find an existing MHP you can buy and make like new? Get the junk out, and get new homes and amenities in. Ideally avoiding the bureaucracy that comes with new development? Or develop outside the city and the ETJ?

  • property manager · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2012 · 502 posts · 171 votes
    13y

    Jon Klaus
    The prison is actually the secondary exit that we ran across by accident, that became primary. We missed a shot to build apts for Barrick Gold and were informed about several other mining projects moving forward. The initial discussions were began with Midway Goldhttp://www.midwaygold.com/s/Projects.asp. They have 2 new mines opening just west of Ely and are hiring sumer of 2013. They have paid $16M to the state for permits so we believe them to be serious.

    Your comment

    screamed concern at us with the mine. When we were snooping at the County office discussing a multi family project for the miners, the head of economic development put us in contact with the prison warden. Once the warden showed their demand, we realized this project has legs. The mine is now a secondary, third is taking existing tenants from old run down rentals/trailers.
  • property manager · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2012 · 502 posts · 171 votes
    13y

    Steven Barnes I will touch base with a PM as soon as it completed and send it out.

  • Homeowner · El Paso, TX · Member since 2012 · 81 posts · 22 votes
    13y

    So out of curiosities sake, since the timeline adds up with my current situation (deployment till september).

    What would the actual cost of the buildings be vs the rents?

    Also, would the only method of purchase be through convential means or would you offfer non-conventional financing?

    This peaks my curiosity, of course I'm a no-name person in this industry but I am absorbing as much information and planning ahead as possible.

  • Investor · Omaha, NE · Member since 2011 · 475 posts · 211 votes
    13y

    @tiger I wouldn't be too concerned about the rural aspect if the employment is sound and it seems it is with the prison and the casino and mines. I grew up in a town of that size and there is plenty of need for apartments in these areas, in fact I'm closing on an apartment in a town of 8,000 on the 31st.

  • property manager · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2012 · 502 posts · 171 votes
    13y

    Elliot Mendoza I will send you an APOD when they are finished because there is enough interest to move forward.
    Dennis Tierney thanks, that has been a big concern

  • Homeowner · El Paso, TX · Member since 2012 · 81 posts · 22 votes
    13y

    Newb question: What is an APOD?

  • property manager · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2012 · 502 posts · 171 votes
    13y

    Annual Projected Operating Data- APOD
    Estimates cost, gross income, gross operating income, net income, cash on cash, cap rate, gross rent multiplier, etc. basically one sheet with all projected data.

  • Homeowner · El Paso, TX · Member since 2012 · 81 posts · 22 votes
    13y

    I feel schooled, thanks for the info. I'll be waiting for it with anticipation.

    I want to hit the ground running when I get back in september.

  • Homeowner · El Paso, TX · Member since 2012 · 81 posts · 22 votes
    13y

    oh yeah, will you be offering any form of financing? or will i have to rely on more conventional means?

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