New to 5+ unit MFH, would love advice and tips!

New to 5+ unit MFH, would love advice and tips!

Investor · NJ · Member since 2020 · 28 posts · 2 votes

Hello BP community!

My name is Pathik Parikh. I'm brand new to the Real Estate Investing world, along with 2 other members (my younger brother and brother in law), through an LLC based out of NJ. Like many of you, our strategy is to purchase value-add buy and hold properties, with the eventual milestone goal of leaving our W-2 jobs.

About me: I'm an operations guy through and through. I've spent my career as an Ops Manager with Amazon, Senior Ops with a start up, a Senior Ops with Iron Mountain, and Site Manager for XPO. I'm all about standardization, streamlining, and building repeatable processes with a team. I'm big on the mentality of "Take action after doing your due diligence, or lose to analysis paralysis" (typical operations I know). The two partners are both Finance professionals with large banks, so they're heavy on excel crunching every number and creating models to run. So it balances out my eagerness to jump right in and forces me to thoroughly make a case for any investment I propose to them.

Most recently, I proposed that instead of aiming at SFH, we should look into 5+ unit MFHs or small apartments. Since we are an LLC, we keep getting commerical rates/loans. I know I can take a residential loan for 1-4 units in my own name, but I'm going to purchase my own primary residence soon and don't want to hinder my borrowing power there. My argument was that it's ok going slower this way (meaning less properties bought in a given timeframe) because the pure cashflow would be higher than if we went slower with residential properties. The MFH properties are a unique niche in and of themselves because you're not in competition with home buyers or big shot commercial buyers. Financing can get creative as well if the owner of a distressed property owns it flat out for seller financing.

Now I know there are differences in commercial vs residential properties. Valuation is based on profitability vs intrinsic property value like a beautiful house, vacancy can be seen as value add things to improve, rehab is a different timeline given more units, etc.

What I'd love to hear from the community here is any advice you may have in regards to getting into MFH properties, what to watch out for, how to find a solid deal, financing you may have done, value add tips, doing this in higher prices market (like NJ) and lower priced markets, etc. I've read about people saying don't go commercial as your first deal but it just comes down to learning and understanding it the same way you would have with residential properties, and having a strong team.

Looking forward to seeing the replies! Thank you all in advance.

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  • Developer · Charlottesville, VA · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Pathik P.:

    Hello BP community!

    My name is Pathik Parikh. I'm brand new to the Real Estate Investing world, along with 2 other members (my younger brother and brother in law), through an LLC based out of NJ. Like many of you, our strategy is to purchase value-add buy and hold properties, with the eventual milestone goal of leaving our W-2 jobs.

    About me: I'm an operations guy through and through. I've spent my career as an Ops Manager with Amazon, Senior Ops with a start up, a Senior Ops with Iron Mountain, and Site Manager for XPO. I'm all about standardization, streamlining, and building repeatable processes with a team. I'm big on the mentality of "Take action after doing your due diligence, or lose to analysis paralysis" (typical operations I know). The two partners are both Finance professionals with large banks, so they're heavy on excel crunching every number and creating models to run. So it balances out my eagerness to jump right in and forces me to thoroughly make a case for any investment I propose to them.

    Most recently, I proposed that instead of aiming at SFH, we should look into 5+ unit MFHs or small apartments. Since we are an LLC, we keep getting commerical rates/loans. I know I can take a residential loan for 1-4 units in my own name, but I'm going to purchase my own primary residence soon and don't want to hinder my borrowing power there. My argument was that it's ok going slower this way (meaning less properties bought in a given timeframe) because the pure cashflow would be higher than if we went slower with residential properties. The MFH properties are a unique niche in and of themselves because you're not in competition with home buyers or big shot commercial buyers. Financing can get creative as well if the owner of a distressed property owns it flat out for seller financing.

    Now I know there are differences in commercial vs residential properties. Valuation is based on profitability vs intrinsic property value like a beautiful house, vacancy can be seen as value add things to improve, rehab is a different timeline given more units, etc.

    What I'd love to hear from the community here is any advice you may have in regards to getting into MFH properties, what to watch out for, how to find a solid deal, financing you may have done, value add tips, doing this in higher prices market (like NJ) and lower priced markets, etc. I've read about people saying don't go commercial as your first deal but it just comes down to learning and understanding it the same way you would have with residential properties, and having a strong team.

    Looking forward to seeing the replies! Thank you all in advance.

     first step is to educate yourself on the business and the markets you want to invest in. You need to know the language of multifamily, the metrics and KPIs and you need to know the markets intimately. There are many types and classes of multifamily. You can go as big as you feel comfortable with as long as you have the knowledge and financial resources. You can get agency non-recourse debt for smaller loans $750k and up so no need to borrow funds personally. That would be my best pice of advice when going big, do not use your personal name on anything and do not borrow recourse debt.

  • Investor · NJ · Member since 2020 · 28 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    Thanks @Greg Dickerson! Solid advice. I've been working on establishing a team in markets that I'm looking in. This includes Agents and PM who invest themselves. As I've been having conversations with different lenders, they all pretty much point us towards commercial loans due to us being an LLC, with the LLC entity as the borrower versus any of our personal names. Some tried telling me to get creative with quit claiming after taking a loan in my name, but to me that makes no sense because I'd still be the one carrying the debt. I'm still staying somewhat fluid on my strategy as far as jumping straight into 5+ units or may getting a few triplex or quadplexes and then 1031 up to 5+ unit properties. It fully depends on the type of loan we are able to get and required down payment.

    We pretty much are starting with $120k in capital, and don't plan to invest more into the LLC beyond that as I know we can grow this amount.

  • Morris County, NJ · Member since 2020 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    @Pathik P.

    Yeah, definitely don't go the route of putting the mortgage under your name and quit claiming the Title. There are so many potential problems with that including everything not being under hte LLC. Also, what's the point since anything over 4 units is considered a commercial property. Either way, you'll need commercial lending because you are looking at commercial properties and because you are using a legal entity (which are not eligible for conforming residential loans). I think the only thing you'll have to do is personally guarantee the loan, but the mortgage would still be given by the LLC. That is pretty typical.

    You need the LLC anyway since you are investing with non-spousal partners. I don't think there is much of any other way to go about it.

    It sounds like you are on the right track.  Since you are looking to scale up, you might want to think about how to structure yourselves as you go.  But, at the end of the day it really just depends on what works for you guys.

    Good luck.

  • Investor · NJ · Member since 2020 · 28 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    Thanks @David M. We're definitely being sure to take this nice and slow, step by step so that we set a solid foundation of our team/ strategy/ plan, vs just jumping into a deal and scrambling to piece together lenders/ attorney/ title/ insurance. We've built out our own calculator to let us just plug in numbers to give us a yes/no decision on properties and avoid hesitation beyond that. It also helps us figure out our price points for purchase+rehab. 

  • Morris County, NJ · Member since 2020 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    @Pathik P.

    Sounds good.  Direct message me if you ever want to chat or need referrals in NJ.

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