#1 takeaway from your first Real Estate Syndication

#1 takeaway from your first Real Estate Syndication

Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 37 posts · 11 votes

I would like to hear from all of the real estate investors with syndication experience. What was your biggest lesson learned in closing your first REI syndication deal. Thanks for your participation!

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Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
5y

Actual performance is never ever close to the sponsor's projections. 

This goes for both GP and LP.

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  • Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    @Shannon Hogan, to be clear, are you wanting LPs experience in their first syndication, or sponsors experience with their first syndication?

  • Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 37 posts · 11 votes
    5y

    @Evan Polaski

    Thanks for the response Evan. I think there is value in both LP’s and the sponsors experiences. I want everyone to share the knowledge gained from crossing the finish line.

  • Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    Actual performance is never ever close to the sponsor's projections. 

    This goes for both GP and LP.

  • Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 37 posts · 11 votes
    5y

    @Nick B. On your very first deal please share some basic details to add value to this thread. I’m interested to here how you got involved.

  • Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 691 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Nick B.:

    Actual performance is never ever close to the sponsor's projections. 

    This goes for both GP and LP.

    Did this happen on every single one of the deals you were apart of? 

  • Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Shannon Hogan:

    @Nick B. On your very first deal please share some basic details to add value to this thread. I’m interested to here how you got involved.

    The very first deal was indeed a value-add. It was supposed to cash flow almost nothing in the first year, then get 90% of the original equity out on refinance, and then cash flow 8-10% annually for 5 years and deliver 100% ROI upon sale.

    In reality, it got refinance with only 50% of the original equity, then cash flowed 3-4% but when it got sold in 4 years, the overall ROI was a bit over 200%.

    Homerun? Yes. But never close to the original projections. Rent growth was higher but so were expenses. The biggest contributing factor was cap rate compression and thus much higher sale price.

  • Investor · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Jeffrey Donis:
    Originally posted by @Nick B.:

    Actual performance is never ever close to the sponsor's projections. 

    This goes for both GP and LP.

    Did this happen on every single one of the deals you were apart of? 

    Yes. Based on 11 deals (2 in full cycle). It's either better (rarely) or worse (more common) but never close to the projections. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 37 posts · 11 votes
    5y

    @Nick B. Thanks for sharing your first deal experiences and overall insight!

  • Greg MoranPro Member
    Investor · Washington, DC · Member since 2017 · 136 posts · 59 votes
    5y

    I've been writing about my first syndication experience with @Four Oaks Capital and @H Squared Capital on my Deals list: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

  • Syndication Expert and Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2016 · 591 posts · 808 votes
    5y

    The big lessons I learned on my first co-sponsored project was to always over capitalize the deal with large cash reserves - more than required by the lender and especially if a large renovation is part of the business plan. 


    I would also echo @Nick B. 's comment on proforma accuracy, especially on value add deals. Value add deals have a high standard deviation variance in performance and cashflow. The potential for cash flow can be huge but it usually takes time to get there. In today's market, compressing cap rates have made it so even if the execution isn't great a sponsor can still deliver strong IRR's - that may not be the case in different market conditions.

  • Danny RandazzoPro Member
    Apartment Syndicator · Charleston, SC · Member since 2016 · 973 posts · 728 votes
    5y

    @Shannon Hogan @Dan Handford has a great podcast series that interviews people specifically about their multifamily acquisitions. It’s a great place to learn about syndication deals

  • Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 37 posts · 11 votes
    5y

    @Greg Moran thanks! If you don’t mind contributing to this thread and sharing with us your biggest lesson from your first deal that made you a better and wiser investor

  • Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 37 posts · 11 votes
    5y

    @Spencer Gray thanks for sharing your experience

  • Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 37 posts · 11 votes
    5y

    @Danny Randazzo thanks for your input and contribution to this thread. Can you share with us the biggest lesson learned on your first closed deal.

  • Multifamily Syndicator · Houston, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    Manage the debt process as this is, in my opinion, one of the biggest risks that a sponsor needs to mitigate in the deal.

    In addition, communication is key, so always maintain constant communication with all parties involved from Title folks all the way to your investors! 

  • Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 37 posts · 11 votes
    5y

    @Ola Dantis thank you for your insight and adding value to this thread

  • Rental Property Investor · RVA · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    3rd party property managers need to be replaceable. Giving them a piece of the GP does not guarantee performance and actually misaligns incentives.

  • Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 691 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Nick B.:
    Originally posted by @Jeffrey Donis:
    Originally posted by @Nick B.:

    Actual performance is never ever close to the sponsor's projections. 

    This goes for both GP and LP.

    Did this happen on every single one of the deals you were apart of? 

    Yes. Based on 11 deals (2 in full cycle). It's either better (rarely) or worse (more common) but never close to the projections. 

    Interesting- thanks for the response!

  • Investor · Southeast, MI · Member since 2016 · 425 posts · 184 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Taylor L.:

    3rd party property managers need to be replaceable. Giving them a piece of the GP does not guarantee performance and actually misaligns incentives.

    @Taylor L., can you explain the misaligned interest part by giving PM's a part of the GP?  I had not done this so far, but have heard others recommend it.  

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    5y

    Sometimes, you have to kiss a lot of frogs before you find your prince.

  • Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2019 · 139 posts · 54 votes
    5y

    @Nick B. Hi Nick, did all LPs and GPs put together funds and purchase the property in all cash? Can you please tell me how many investors in your first deal and what were the splits upon the agreement?

  • Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 37 posts · 11 votes
    5y

    @Taylor L. Great insight! I appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

  • Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 37 posts · 11 votes
    5y

    @Mike Dymski Thanks for adding value to this thread.

  • Investor · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2017 · 16 posts · 1 vote
    5y

    @Evan Polaski Hi! Even I know that I’m late to ye party but what LPs and GPS stands for???

  • Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    @Christopher B. Not all property managers are good. When you make one a part of the GP, and they aren’t performing, it can be challenging to right the ship, since the manager is generating profit from the property.

    I would not argue it is a misalignment of interests, per se (that would imply all sponsors that use in-house management do not have the LPs interests in mind), but particularly on early deals where you have a limited relationship with the manager, it can pose an issue.

    @Desmond A Dowdell LP = Limited Partner GP = General Partner

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