Mostly Month to Month tenants in a Multifamily - Big red flag ?

Mostly Month to Month tenants in a Multifamily - Big red flag ?

Investor · Member since 2021 · 131 posts · 100 votes

(Sorry for all the M's in the title)

Fellow BP-ers,

An OM crossed my desk which seemed promising, a 9 unit multifamily which had decent cashflow and the numbers would work at a slightly lower offering price.  However one thing stuck out like a sore thumb - 5 of the 9 units were on Month to Month leases.  

Interestingly though, two of these month to month tenants have been there for 6 years, and two have been there for 2-3 years.  I did note that these month to month tenants had been paying less rent than the long termers who have yearly leases for similar units.  As such, I am thinking that if the rent is raised to the proper rate on the month to month tenants(to align with the others), they may take off and destroy the cash flow.

That being said, I would put the question to you, of those who own multifamily properties, would this raise a red flag for you and what are your thoughts?

Dave

0Reply
42 views

Most Popular Reply

Member since 2019 · 36 posts · 36 votes
5y

I would say that having existing tenants on a month to month lease is NOT a red flag. In fact, it would be a good thing when you purchase a rental property, be it single or multi-family. As @Jonathan Greene pointed out, it is much easier to evict for upgrading units to re-rent at a higher rate.

Like most landlords, I have a one year Lease agreement. I also manage my rentals. If I am not sure I want to keep a tenant after the one year is up, I often let the Lease automatically default to month to month (at month 13) so I have greater flexibility. Of course, they also have flexibility to move out on shorter notice.

If I KNOW I want them out after 1 year (too much drama, not getting along with neighbors, etc) and they have not violated the terms of the Lease, I simple do not renew the Lease when it expires in month 12 and give them proper advance notice.

If they refuse to move out, they are “Hold Over Tenants” and can be evicted.

If they are great tenants, sign a renewal for 12 months (but be sure to include a rent increase, even a small amount, so they come to expect it every year).

I try not to have my Leases expire in the months of Nov through February. If they do, I can let it automatically default to month to month and wait until March or later to renew. That way, I avoid trying to find a new tenant during the holidays and Texas winter months.

By having 5 of the 9 tenants on month to month, you have the flexibility of raising rent on just one or a few of the 5 tenants at a time. I would not do all 5 at the same time since you do not know if some or all will move out and wreak havoc on cash flow.

If you are going to remodel and then raise rents, you can space out the projects / tenant move out dates to suite your cash flow and rehab budget.

You mentioned that the numbers work at a slightly lower offering price. What happens if some/most of the rents increase by $25 to $50 each? Is there potential to raise rents even more due to deferred maintenance / lazy landlord not adjusting rents to market rates?

I recommend taking a good look at each of the units and compare their condition/amenities to comps close by to get an accurate rental rate.

For example: I purchased two 4-plex properties in N. Texas last January, just as Covid was taking hold. The buildings are next to each other. There was a lot of deferred maintenance with 4 units vacant and 4 units with rents too low and 8 months left on their leases. The previous landlord got leases signed in preparation to sell, but he did little else. He was about 78 years old and owned them for at least 20 years, paid off, free and clear.

I was investor #4 to walk the units. I guess the first 3 just saw too much work/repairs/headaches or did not realize the potential to raise rents in a big way. They may not have thought to negotiate a large discount on the purchase price by documenting/hiring property inspector/taking own photographs and presenting findings to listing agent and owner who had not walked the property in over 3 years.

The 4 units that were rented were, $600, $700, $700 and $800, with both of the $700 units being 3 bed 1.5 bath at approx 1,100 sq ft. The two others were 2 bed 1.5 bath at approx 925 sq ft.

Once the existing leases were up in Sept 2020, I raised rents by $200 each on two and $225 each on the other two for an extra $850 per month in cash flow. Since the original tenants were still in these 4 units, I did not rehab, just regular preventative maintenance. I recently bumped them again in Sept 2021 by $25 - $30.

In Jan/Feb 2020, I renovated the other 4 vacant units and quickly rented them in Feb/March for $900 to $925 each. 

I am about to renovate one of the 3 bedrooms (original inherited tenant just moved out) and expect to rent it for $1,150 to $1,250 (depending on how much my wife allows for renovation budget). Rough estimate is about $9,000 remodel.

I plan to hold these properties for the long haul, at least 15 to 20 years, unless I do a 1031 exchange into something bigger/better. 

Hope this gives you some helpful ideas.

Best regards,

Ken

@Jonathan Greene

See this reply in the discussion

15 Replies

Jump to latestLatest
  • Member since 2018 · 563 posts · 562 votes
    5y

    Can you rent the units for market if the current tenants move out? Nothing is wrong with turnover, especially if their is upside involved.

  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    5y

    I would want all units on month-to-month or vacant when I buy so the tenants would be easier to evict and so I could turn over and upgrade some of the units right away to do the value add on the way in. Some mom and pop landlords are just lazy and never write another lease with long-term tenants, but it helps give you more leverage coming in.

  • Rental Property Investor · RVA · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    Not a big concern necessarily, it could indicate some upside in rents. Turnovers will cost money though!

  • Bjorn AhlbladPro Member
    Investor · Shelton, WA · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    5y

    My tenants are all MTM, by design. I have tenants that have been in the building for decades. I can raise rents anytime turnover is advantageous; I do a little rehab and raise rents to market and over. On existing tenants we raise about 5% per year every year. Many existing tenants are a little under market some are above. 

    In Wa state most/all tenants are MTM. It was scary at first-we moved here from Ca 6 years ago-but we have come to realize MTM protects the LL. We get first and last plus security deposit up front. Makes for respectful tenants.

  • Investor · Evanston, IL · Member since 2012 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    5y

    @David Cozzi

    I have a 30 unit building in Charleston SC that has a similar situation. It concerned me also. The seller said he prefers M-M because he can evict quickly if they do not pay. Other investors said that is not uncommon to feel that way with many landlords The at that 5 units have not changed may speak for itself. Where are you investing?

  • Member since 2019 · 36 posts · 36 votes
    5y

    I would say that having existing tenants on a month to month lease is NOT a red flag. In fact, it would be a good thing when you purchase a rental property, be it single or multi-family. As @Jonathan Greene pointed out, it is much easier to evict for upgrading units to re-rent at a higher rate.

    Like most landlords, I have a one year Lease agreement. I also manage my rentals. If I am not sure I want to keep a tenant after the one year is up, I often let the Lease automatically default to month to month (at month 13) so I have greater flexibility. Of course, they also have flexibility to move out on shorter notice.

    If I KNOW I want them out after 1 year (too much drama, not getting along with neighbors, etc) and they have not violated the terms of the Lease, I simple do not renew the Lease when it expires in month 12 and give them proper advance notice.

    If they refuse to move out, they are “Hold Over Tenants” and can be evicted.

    If they are great tenants, sign a renewal for 12 months (but be sure to include a rent increase, even a small amount, so they come to expect it every year).

    I try not to have my Leases expire in the months of Nov through February. If they do, I can let it automatically default to month to month and wait until March or later to renew. That way, I avoid trying to find a new tenant during the holidays and Texas winter months.

    By having 5 of the 9 tenants on month to month, you have the flexibility of raising rent on just one or a few of the 5 tenants at a time. I would not do all 5 at the same time since you do not know if some or all will move out and wreak havoc on cash flow.

    If you are going to remodel and then raise rents, you can space out the projects / tenant move out dates to suite your cash flow and rehab budget.

    You mentioned that the numbers work at a slightly lower offering price. What happens if some/most of the rents increase by $25 to $50 each? Is there potential to raise rents even more due to deferred maintenance / lazy landlord not adjusting rents to market rates?

    I recommend taking a good look at each of the units and compare their condition/amenities to comps close by to get an accurate rental rate.

    For example: I purchased two 4-plex properties in N. Texas last January, just as Covid was taking hold. The buildings are next to each other. There was a lot of deferred maintenance with 4 units vacant and 4 units with rents too low and 8 months left on their leases. The previous landlord got leases signed in preparation to sell, but he did little else. He was about 78 years old and owned them for at least 20 years, paid off, free and clear.

    I was investor #4 to walk the units. I guess the first 3 just saw too much work/repairs/headaches or did not realize the potential to raise rents in a big way. They may not have thought to negotiate a large discount on the purchase price by documenting/hiring property inspector/taking own photographs and presenting findings to listing agent and owner who had not walked the property in over 3 years.

    The 4 units that were rented were, $600, $700, $700 and $800, with both of the $700 units being 3 bed 1.5 bath at approx 1,100 sq ft. The two others were 2 bed 1.5 bath at approx 925 sq ft.

    Once the existing leases were up in Sept 2020, I raised rents by $200 each on two and $225 each on the other two for an extra $850 per month in cash flow. Since the original tenants were still in these 4 units, I did not rehab, just regular preventative maintenance. I recently bumped them again in Sept 2021 by $25 - $30.

    In Jan/Feb 2020, I renovated the other 4 vacant units and quickly rented them in Feb/March for $900 to $925 each. 

    I am about to renovate one of the 3 bedrooms (original inherited tenant just moved out) and expect to rent it for $1,150 to $1,250 (depending on how much my wife allows for renovation budget). Rough estimate is about $9,000 remodel.

    I plan to hold these properties for the long haul, at least 15 to 20 years, unless I do a 1031 exchange into something bigger/better. 

    Hope this gives you some helpful ideas.

    Best regards,

    Ken

    @Jonathan Greene

  • Investor · Member since 2021 · 131 posts · 100 votes
    5y

    @Ken Dunn  Your response was incredible - Extremely insightful, informative and thought provoking.  I really appreciate the personal experiences that you had as real life examples.  It's ironic that you mentioned the looking at various "rent raising scenarios".  That's actually what I am doing right now in my underwriting spreadsheet.  It's very interesting to see that most folks (if not all) view the MTM leases as a positive, not a negative.  I tend to underwrite conservatively (to avoid getting in a pickle), so seeing so many MTM leases just piqued my "Warning Will Robinson" alarm (We'll see how many get that reference)....

  • Arn CenedellaPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2008 · 786 posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @David C.

    This is more of an opportunity than a problem.

    Long term tenants often mean below market rents.

    Month to month agreements mean ability to quickly increase rents and or renovate units.

    Opportunity not a problem. Don’t over think it. 😀

  • Joe SplitrockPro Member
    Moderator
    Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes
    5y

    @David C. my oldest tenants are month to month. Some landlords prefer M2M because it gives flexibility for rent increases or if you need to ask tenants to leave. Many tenants prefer M2M because it gives them flexibility in case they want to move, but it doesn't mean they will move. I usually give tenants a renewal option with lease or M2M option. The M2M option is at a higher rate. Some choose the M2M option at a higher rent rate and end up staying years. Tenants stay or move because the property meets their needs, not because of a lease.

    That all being said, M2M could be a bad sign if all the tenants have only been there a short time. 

  • Shawn McenteerBusiness Member
    Realtor · Boonton Township, NJ · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    The 2 main reasons I see month to month leases are owner selling property so the inferentially do not renew leases that way new owner can decide.  This makes property more desirable for resale if investors have more flexibility in what can happen tenants.  The second reason is lazy landlords,  I come across properties that have tenants that have been living month to month for many years.  

    House Hacking New Jersey563 Reviews
  • Member since 2021 · 21 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Greene Do you advise to keep tenants on a month-to-month lease after purchasing a property?

  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    5y

    @Esther Seme if you don't like them, keep them on month-to-month for sure. It's safe to keep them that way to start, feel it out as a landlord, and then offer new leases to tenants who you like and want to keep. I would use the Dion McNeely strategy from the BP podcast to have the tenants choose a fair rent then and stay.

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 905 votes
    5y

    @David C. it's not necessarily a bad thing unless the "MTM" folks don't leave when you want them to and it turns into a prolonged eviction (depends on your market).

  • Member since 2021 · 21 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    @Jonathan Greene thank you very much for your feedback and insight. 

Join the conversationCreate a free account to reply, vote on answers and follow this thread.