Purchase of owner occupied duplex advice

Purchase of owner occupied duplex advice

Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 8 posts · 0 votes

hi all,

I'm new here and seeking some advice. My husband and I, both 33 without kids yet, have lived in a rental unit of a house with one other rental unit for the last 4 years. The owner has just put the house up for sale and we are considering purchasing the house to live in the other, larger unit upstairs and rent out the unit we currently live in, managing it ourselves. The house is for sale for $320,000. We've paid $1230 for rent since we moved in so we think that it could rent for higher especially with some upgrades and repairs. The other unit rents for $1300 but has a lot more space (extra half bath and extra bedroom). I think the owner could've gotten more.  

We haven't met with our realtor or mortgage broker about it yet but if we put $25k down and got a conventional loan of $295k our payment would be roughly 1800/month (using a mortgage calculator). This would be over 5% down which is what we've been told we would need. 

Thinking with the 50% rule (I learned about here today) and we rented the unit for 1300, we would basically be able to pay our new mortgage with the added income for about what we currently pay for rent now, while upgrading to the bigger unit. $1300/2=$650. Payment of $1800-650=$1150, which is $80 less than what we pay for rent now. 

Does this sound correct? What am I missing? Taxes are about $4500/year but I assume we'd be able to depreciate half and that isn't reflected in the mortgage calculator so maybe we'd be making more. 

We are in a popular area of Philadelphia that inhabits mostly young professionals and college students so there are a ton of renters. Eventually we would plan to move and rent out both units. 

I appreciate any advice or help as to what else I need in my calculations and if this sounds like a good plan. 

Thank you in advance!

Jordyn

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Investor · Dubuque, IA · Member since 2015 · 88 posts · 19 votes
11y

Does the mortgage payment include tax and insurance along with the loan payment? Also with only 5 % down you would be looking at a PMI payment as well which I don't know how much the numbers differ in PA from IA. The paying 80 a month less might sound good but when you look at it from an investment standpoint, to me anyway, it doesn't look good. Eventually when you go to rent it out and say you're able to get 2600 a month in rent (1300 each side) it might sound good until you add in vacancy factor, saving money for maintenance, capital expenses and management fees since you should pay yourself for your time, this looks to me like there would be negative cashflow.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong but with the numbers that are here this is what I came up with.

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  • Real Estate Investor · Urbandale, IA · Member since 2014 · 17 posts · 2 votes
    11y

    Looking at the financial end of your deal, the lack of CF makes it hard for an investor to justify the purchase price. That should work in your favor as it relates to buying it at "The right price". That being said, and only knowing the details you stated above, I would express slight interest to the landlord in purchasing the property, and then wait and see what kind of activity the MLS brings. I am a firm believer in house hacking being a great method for first home purchasers. Wish I would've been on BP 6 years ago when I bought my first home.

    Good luck!

  • El Paso, TX · Member since 2015 · 34 posts · 13 votes
    11y

    IMHO, this is not a very good investment property. I am not a Pro and have limited experience but these are my reasons:

    1) Not getting close to the 2% rule; even not close to 1% Rental / Price.

    2) In addition, the owner is paying utilities; that takes even lower in your Rental to price ratio.

    3) You know about some leaks and repairs required.

    4) Not appropriate parking; probably that is common on your location.

    In the other hand, I like that you are comparing this duplex against SFH; if this is puts me on a better financial position and I tolerate the cons of living on a duplex; then and only then, I would proceed, understanding that this is not an investment property.

    My $0.02 ; Good luck!!!

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