refinance after hardmoney or homestyle loan

refinance after hardmoney or homestyle loan

Hallandale, FL · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 0 votes

hello bp, just want to get your take on the best strategy approach. A simple referenced scenario from "http://www.nuwireinvestor.com/howtos/how-to-use-br....

** beginning reference scenario //>

Let's look at an actual example from a real property in Memphis, Tennessee:

After Repair Value(ARV): $145,000

Purchase price: $84,700

Cost of improvement or rehab: $16,000

Hard money origination cost: 5% or $5,075

Transaction closing cost: $1,600

Total due at close: $107,375

In this case the short term lender loaned 70% of the ARV or $101,500

Cash due from buyer $5,875

The buyer then was able to refinance with a permanent lender at 75% of the ARV using a typical no-seasoning Fannie Mae lender. The difference of 5% covers the investors refinance cost on the investment home.

In the End

The investor ends up with a permanent loan at $107,300 with a 6% interest rate. Leaving them with a 30 year fixed payment for principle and interest of $643. In this example the home was rented for $1,195, leaving $552 in gross cash flow. After factoring in taxes, insurance, management fees, vacancy and maintenance, this particular home was still cash flows positive for $110 a month. This leaves the investor with $1,320 net cash flow annually on a $5875 investment, creating a cash on cash return of 22%.

Although the process is more involved than the traditional 20% + closing costs, the result is owning the property at 75% of the ARV and saving over $25,000 of cash which can be used to purchase more homes.

** end of reference scenario //>

my questions:

if i qualify for a homestyle loan, would it (in reference to scenario above) have been more beneficial to take the homestyle loan strategy rather than the hardmoney + refinance?

what are the advantages of using the hardmoney + refinance?

.. advantages of homestyle loan?

some variables i'm a bit confused about:

refinancing after hardmomey, if the total due at closing is $107,375 and ARV is $145k, doesnt the lender loan based on ARV, so the lender would give me (hypothetically) 145K, i then would be able to pay off the hard money lender and keep the difference for me? or would they refinance on the "total due at closing" and if so what happens to the equity difference?

thanks in advance!

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  • Real Estate Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2013 · 415 posts · 84 votes
    11y

    I haven't dealt with Fannie Mae in a while , however you may want to double check. Around here, and I am sure it is nationwide, you WILL have to season the property to use the ARV if its going to be sold to the secondary market. If you get a local bank that will keep the note in house I would think you could have a little more flexibility. But, all the banks/lenders around here that are selling to the secondary market will only go off of the cost of the the total rehab or the ARV WHICHEVER IS LESS. In this scenario the majority of banks won't lend on this unless you personally put 15-25% of your own money in the project.

  • Real Estate Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2013 · 415 posts · 84 votes
    11y

    I personally would recommend selling this property after the rehab and make your money that way if you wanted to get a buy and hold you could do another one and have your DP $$. 

    Sorry, I am not very familiar with the homestyle loan other than I have heard of it.

  • Hallandale, FL · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    11y

    hey Arron, what is "have your DP $$" ? not familiar with the acronym. thanks for the advice.

  • Homeowner · Memphis, TN · Member since 2015 · 1 post · 0 votes
    11y

    Hey John G., I believe that means down payment money.

  • Investor · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2012 · 187 posts · 117 votes
    11y

    I am looking into this myself and I have come to the conclusion that a typical Fannie Mae refi will have the following criteria:

    - Need to own for 6 months to season the transaction before a new Appraisal will be used to determine loan amount.

    - A period shorter than 6 months is possible but there is an upcharge on the interest rate.

    - Max 70% LTV for a cash out refi. I do not believe a 75% LTV is available for a cash out refi on an investor property.

    - You need to have good credit scores and debt to income ratios in order to get any cash out and if your scores are lower, they may not give you 70% LTV.

    - For investor properties plan to have a higher APR than you would be quoted as an owner occupying the property.

    For HOMESTYLE renovation loans you can borrow 75% of ARV so there is a big advantage if you want to end up with a smaller down payment overall. However, fees and interest rates are much higher! For the very long term, this may not be the best deal.

    If you are not using a hard money loan or private money with a registered liens, and you are buying with your own cash, there is a better way.   That is called "Delayed Financing".  You can buy a house in cash today, fix it tomorrow, and get cash out refi the day after tomorrow.  Do not need to wait 6 months. And on this program you can take out 75% of after fixed appraised value.    

    You have to prove you have the funds and they are your funds.  A 401K loan or a life insurance loan is treated as Cash so you can use your retirement plans to buy in cash, fix, then refi to get most of your money out.  Pay off your 401k loan or rinse and repeat.

    There cannot be any existing mortgage or liens on the property that you are "refinancing". This works like a cash out refi loan but its really a purchase loan.

    For all three options above :

    - Buying in the name of an LLC adds an additional issue or risk (Its a new rule and not applicable to me so check into it with your broker)

    - Condos and HOAs could prevent approvals if the health of the HOA is questionable or if there are several Rentals in the community already, existing lawsuits, budget concerns, or too many units owned by the same entity.

    - Ask your mortgage broker to verify your refi plan before you go ahead and buy anything you plan to refi.  It could be the property does not qualify for the plan you intend to use to refi and get your cash out.

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