Do you think that this is a scam? Personal Line of Credit

Do you think that this is a scam? Personal Line of Credit

Rehabber · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2013 · 26 posts · 0 votes

In the REI group meeting a week ago there was a lender there who advertises $50k to $200k personal lines of credit, to be used for anything - closing costs, fees, even the entire purchase price for a property. There is a one-time 15 point fee for establishing the line of credit spread out over 5 years. After that it's 10% interest for every draw against the LOC, again spread out over five years.

However, that is not all. After the lender reviewed my credit report, which all three bureaus rank me at above 750, the lender representative told me that all of the inquiries on my report prevent them from lending to me. HOWEVER, for a fee of $1200, payable up front, they can erase all of the inquiries from my credit report. Admittedly I do have a large number of inquiries resulting from two cars I purchased last year and the hard money lenders that I have been applying to recently.

I told the lender representative that I feel uncomfortable paying such a fee upfront if there are no guarantees. First, there would be no guarantee of them actually wiping out all of the inquiries, and second, there is the risk that they still will not establish the credit line for me after the credit work is done. On top of this, they will extend the credit to me personally, but not my corporation.

Now that I am typing this, I am wondering why the lender would take the time to erase the inquiries. If they extend the credit line to me, they would know that all of those inquiries were there in the beginning anyway whether or not they have automagically erased them from my report.

The lender rep is very persistent and I am still having conversations with him about this.

A credit line would be very helpful, especially with my first few deals. It would also be great to get those inquiries off my credit report. But, I do not want to fall into a scam trap.

Thoughts???

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Investor · San Jose, CA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
12y

$1,200 in upfront fee? Run, don't walk.

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  • Denver, CO · Member since 2012 · 350 posts · 175 votes
    12y

    It think your instincts are correct. North of 720 credit score should NEVER be the issue in my experience. Run like hell from this character. OR...ask them if they have an account in Nigeria worth $7 Million.

  • Investor · San Jose, CA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    $1,200 in upfront fee? Run, don't walk.

  • Real Estate Investor · Saint Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 951 votes
    12y

    Any up front fee like that is a scam....forget about how fishy the rest of it sounds because I wouldn't have even looked that far.

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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    12y

    If you spend time you can handle inquires on your credit by yourself.

    I do not know this company but it sounds like a dump truck load full of crap to me.

    If credit score is high but debt ratio is too much getting off inquiries will not help. 750 and above is about the top 10% of credit scores nationally. Sounds to me the credit line is a HOOK and then they hit you with this BS to get money.

    Do not pay any money upfront. That will get rid of 99% of hucksters out there.

  • Property Manager · Louisville, KY · Member since 2013 · 26 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Not to belabor the point here...but generally if you have to ask the question "is this a scam?" Then it probably is.

  • Rehabber · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2013 · 26 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Thanks all! Points well taken.

  • Sheboygan, WI · Member since 2013 · 107 posts · 18 votes
    12y

    Friend of mine did something like this. They gave him unsecured credit in the form of multiple business credit cards...which made it very inquiry sensitive.

    When he got the cards in the mail, he thought it was a mistake.

    He was told to pay himself with the cards to get cash out. . . .

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    Sounds like a scam.

    For one thing, you can't buy yourself out of inquiries. There are things that you can do to get rid of them, but not a 3rd party.

    Here's what you should do: Write to all 3 credit bureaus and dispute the inquiries and that they need to lump them together. By law, inquiries that are all for the same thing, like buying a car, and within 30 days or so, they're supposed to be consolidated into 1 inquiries. Same with mortgage inquiries.

    www.creditboards.com is a great website to learn how to improve your credit

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y

    creditboards.com Is nothing but a scam by telling the consumers how to get out of paying their debts.

    Joe Gore
  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    @Account Closed that is so wrong. Do you have any idea how many people have mistakes on their credit reports? There are legitimate ways to correct them and creditboards teaches them - for free.

    Do you know what to do, if you have had a charge off in 2007 and it was sold last year and now last activity shows 2012? Do you know how that effects your credit?

    Do you know that if you had a charge-off in 2006, which is about to fall off after 7 years, and you now have money and go ahead and pay it, that you now get penalized? To the credit bureaus you now look like a recent deadbeat, because your last activity date is last month, when you paid. You literally have a better credit score, if you had an old dept that was never paid, then if you go ahead and pay it now. Crazy, I know.

    But if you had waited the 2 months until it falls off and then pay, it stays off. Instead by paying now, you're re-starting the clock and it will stay another 7 years on your report.

    There's so much information about credit that most people don't know, that is incredibly helpful to find out.

    If you look at the above scenario - he had a lot of inquiries from an autopurchase. By law they have to be lumped. But they haven't and thus he's being penalized for something that's not even supposed to be. But he didn't know that.

  • Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 12 posts · 1 vote
    12y
    Big scam and run away 15 points holy moly
  • Urbana, IL · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 425 votes
    12y

    @Michaela G. I thought it was only a 14 day window in which all the inquiries were lumped. Perhaps its changed. I'll have to check out that site as well.

    And thank you all. I was about to say how fishy this smelled and you guys are there already watching out. BP is great for this kind of stuff!

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    @Steven J.

    you might be right that it's 14 days. It's been a long time since I've looked at the site and I remember that there was a particular time frame, where all inquiries have to be lumped together as one, if they're all for 1 particular thing

  • Barrington, IL · Member since 2010 · 204 posts · 54 votes
    12y
    Get away from this lender !
  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y

    Most realtors can do a rapid re-score to get you funded, but most want offer the service because most people don't want to pay the realtor to get it done.


    Joe Gore

  • Dion DePaoliPro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Northwest Indiana, IN · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    Inquires are still lumped within the 14 days to shop for mortgage financing.

    The idea that inquires can be 'erased' is not correct. If you gave permission for a credit pull then the hard inquiry can not be simply erased. Their impact will diminish with time and they will eventually fall off but until then you can not remove no matter how many times you write the repository.

    It was not clear how the interest in points and rate are being applied to charge you. A 15% fee paid up front is not spread over 5 years, it is charged up front. The accrue of that interest charge would be on your book not in the deal. I don't know why you would want to spread that expense if you paid it upfront since you paid it upfront. The 10% draw or interest charge was not clear. It is unclear if you meant that the advanced funds have a 10% interest in arrears or if at the time of draw the 10% fee is assessed in advance. If the later, I am not sure why someone would not simply draw the entire balance down at 10% and then hold it for 5 or 10 years diminishing the interest paid through time. It is simply 10% interest on the outstanding funds, then that would be normal.

    The deal may have usury problems depending on what state you are located in. Since they seem to have geared toward personal credit and not simply business credit, usury will most likely apply. A 15% upfront fee plus 10% interest is pretty expensive. If I understand this correctly you have a 25% APR. Scratch that, it is ridiculously expensive. It makes hard money loans look like conventional. Either way, the company you are dealing with will have to be licensed in your state, so you should be able to look them up on your state website.

    I agree with most. The upfront fee, the high charges and the misinformation from the lender all make this seem like a bad deal. Paying upfront is never wise.

  • Dion DePaoliPro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Northwest Indiana, IN · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by Joe Gore:
    Most realtors can do a rapid re-score to get you funded, but most want offer the service because most people don't want to pay the realtor to get it done.

    Joe Gore

    Joe, a Realtor can not generally do a Rapid Re-score or similar program as most Realtors are not plugged into credit vendors which offer this type of service. In addition, in any credit decision a third party report is likely not allowed. The actual lender or mortgage broker is who usually provides this service through their credit vendor. My retail days we use to doe these often as the mortgage broker or lender. Most Realtors don't have a good working knowledge of credit or the Fair Credit Act of 1970 and it's amendments in general so that would also be the blind leading the blind.

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    12y

    Besides all that, this doesn't just set off alarms it explodes with scam.

    I'd get the deal in writing and send it to the state finance department!

    I'd also be very careful around that REI group who should have done some due diligence on anyone allowed to speak at their meetings. I was under the impression that REI meetings were to benefit members not be a sounding board for just any scammer or wanabe guru for the sake of having something fill in the time. That's a pretty blatant lack of missing the point of such groups. :)

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y

    Dion,

    The rapid re-score was a good thing at one time but it was only good for 30 days. My mistake I meant to say mortgage broker.

    Joe Gore

  • Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2011 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    12y

    I would recommend investigating the "corporate credit" angle. I have not done this, but from what I understand you can form or use your investing LLC to obtain credit without impacting your personal credit. Generally you obtain an EIN number if you do not already have one, then contact Dunn and Bradstreet to establish a Data Universal Numbering System (DUNS) for your entity. At that point you then work to obtain small trade lines of credit, then later, bank credit cards. You can get the basics on eHow.

    I attended a webinar for one organization which claimed to be able to get $30 -$100K in corporate credit within 30-180 days. I think they charged about $1K up front and 10% of the credit you obtain. I thought that was a little pricey - I did not relish the prospect of going into debt to just have debt so I passed. I think there are others out there that will do the same or similar thing for a flat fee of about $400.

    I think with a little homework and some time you can get some good results.

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y
    David,

    $10K is not bad when someone can get you a $100K business credit line unless you are looking for something for free.

    Joe Gore
  • Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2011 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    12y

    Joe,

    Not so much getting something for free as whether it is something an investor would rather undertake the process themselves rather than pay someone else to do it. Really more of a time vs convenience issue. Also, as you see, different companies charge differing amounts - I advocate shopping around and getting the most bang for your buck. Like I said, there are companies that will do the same thing for around $400.

    Finally, I don't like incurring a bunch of debt unless it is for a specific deal - although some debt for general business activities is unavoidable.

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