Lenders + seller 2nd's = Justin B-BRRRR?

Lenders + seller 2nd's = Justin B-BRRRR?

Investor · Wilmington, NC · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 1 vote

I'm currently working on scaling up quickly through purchasing large SFR portfolios and/or apartments, and I'm in preliminary talks with a few sellers willing to carry back a seller 2nd note of 20-30% (i.e. the down payment).

I'm looking for a lender that will move forward in financing the initial 70-80%, in 1st position, alongside a seller 2nd of the remaining 20-30%, totaling 100% CLTV. Terms for the seller 2nd have generally been 5%, interest only, 5 years.

I'm only considering properties under this scenario that cashflow well immediately, hence the i/o payments, in addition to having a strong value-add element. The initial goal is immediate cashflow that will quickly increase as we fix-up and/or lease up the properties. The fix-up/lease-up process raises the NOI and ultimately forces a higher property value, leading to a cash-out refi within the 5-year term.

We've affectionately called this the "Sam's Club BRRRR," or "Justin B-BRRRR," as we're completing our "BRRRRs in Bulk" with many units at a time. ;)

THE ASK: Do you happen to know of any good portfolio, bridge, and/or DSCR lenders, private or otherwise, that may be willing to work with such a scenario?

Looking forward to chatting soon. Hope you've had a blessed day!

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Robin SimonBusiness Member
Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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Quote from @Phillip Bernier:

I'm currently working on scaling up quickly through purchasing large SFR portfolios and/or apartments, and I'm in preliminary talks with a few sellers willing to carry back a seller 2nd note of 20-30% (i.e. the down payment).

I'm looking for a lender that will move forward in financing the initial 70-80%, in 1st position, alongside a seller 2nd of the remaining 20-30%, totaling 100% CLTV. Terms for the seller 2nd have generally been 5%, interest only, 5 years.

I'm only considering properties under this scenario that cashflow well immediately, hence the i/o payments, in addition to having a strong value-add element. The initial goal is immediate cashflow that will quickly increase as we fix-up and/or lease up the properties. The fix-up/lease-up process raises the NOI and ultimately forces a higher property value, leading to a cash-out refi within the 5-year term.

We've affectionately called this the "Sam's Club BRRRR," or "Justin B-BRRRR," as we're completing our "BRRRRs in Bulk" with many units at a time. ;)

THE ASK: Do you happen to know of any good portfolio, bridge, and/or DSCR lenders, private or otherwise, that may be willing to work with such a scenario?

Looking forward to chatting soon. Hope you've had a blessed day!


Have you looked into a potential different structure with instead of a seller note, structure it through equity in an LLC partnership? Would probably make things a lot easier on the financing side

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  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    2y

    @Phillip Bernier

    I am not familiar with any. Most DSCR lenders will not allow a 2nd especially at 100%.

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  • Lender · Nashville, TN · Member since 2024 · 700 posts · 284 votes
    2y

    Happy to help, I have a fund that allows 90% CLTV.

    You’re gonna need to come in with 10% at least.

    I wouldn’t spin your wheels looking for higher, it’s not out there. 

  • Robin SimonBusiness Member
    Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Phillip Bernier:

    I'm currently working on scaling up quickly through purchasing large SFR portfolios and/or apartments, and I'm in preliminary talks with a few sellers willing to carry back a seller 2nd note of 20-30% (i.e. the down payment).

    I'm looking for a lender that will move forward in financing the initial 70-80%, in 1st position, alongside a seller 2nd of the remaining 20-30%, totaling 100% CLTV. Terms for the seller 2nd have generally been 5%, interest only, 5 years.

    I'm only considering properties under this scenario that cashflow well immediately, hence the i/o payments, in addition to having a strong value-add element. The initial goal is immediate cashflow that will quickly increase as we fix-up and/or lease up the properties. The fix-up/lease-up process raises the NOI and ultimately forces a higher property value, leading to a cash-out refi within the 5-year term.

    We've affectionately called this the "Sam's Club BRRRR," or "Justin B-BRRRR," as we're completing our "BRRRRs in Bulk" with many units at a time. ;)

    THE ASK: Do you happen to know of any good portfolio, bridge, and/or DSCR lenders, private or otherwise, that may be willing to work with such a scenario?

    Looking forward to chatting soon. Hope you've had a blessed day!


    Have you looked into a potential different structure with instead of a seller note, structure it through equity in an LLC partnership? Would probably make things a lot easier on the financing side

  • Investor · Wilmington, NC · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    2y

    @Robin Simon

    Thanks for the equity suggestion. We haven’t pursued that a great deal but we’re open to all creative ways to structure the deals, so keep’m comin. :)

    If you have insights regarding best practices for offering and/or structuring the equity idea over seller financing, I’d love to connect and chat about it.

    Thanks again.

  • Lender · Nashville TN, USA · Member since 2024 · 142 posts · 30 votes
    2y

    It sounds like you have a solid strategy in place for scaling up your portfolio quickly with seller financing and focusing on properties that cash flow immediately. For your "BRRRR in Bulk" approach, you might want to explore lenders that specialize in portfolio or DSCR (Debt Service Coverage Ratio) loans, as they are often more flexible with complex financing structures like seller 2nd notes. Private lenders or bridge lenders may also be a good fit, as they tend to offer more creative solutions compared to traditional banks. Be sure to clarify the lender's stance on total CLTV (Combined Loan to Value) at 100%, as not all will accept this structure.

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