Hard Money Lenders: What are they looking for?

Hard Money Lenders: What are they looking for?

Banker · Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 45 posts · 6 votes

Hello everyone, I'm new to real estate investing and have one duplex I own in St. Paul, MN. I'd like to expand and purchase more property. My focus is set on purchasing an apartment complex that has a minumun of five units and to live in one of the units. I've been advised that finding good Hard Money lenders is a smart route to go because my ability to pay 20% on a conventional loan is limited, at this time. My question is, what are hard money lenders looking for? Good Credit, guaranteed money back, skin in the game (money down)???? I'm not a multi-millionaire (yet) but I'd like to know what they look for in a good deal and in a good borrower. 

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Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 597 votes
10y

Keeping in mind that every lender is different - they have different appetites and risk tolerances (pricing typically is relative).

Lenders want to see:

A good deal - something you can make money on - that should be important to both parties

Some liquid assets - Money in the bank, the ability to handle a deal if there are cost over runs or a long holding period. 

Experience - always a plus - if you don't have it - have people on your team that do have it and can speak intelligently about the deal - contractor, agent, take out lender, mentor, etc.

Exit Strategy - a clear exit strategy - if flipping - how long to complete repairs and relist, estimated time to contract/ days on market, plan if no offers at asking price. if a Refinance - who is the lender, have they done like transactions, have they looked at your full file or just approved you based on an initial conversation. 5+ units - how long does the asset need to be stabilized before refinance can be done?

Credit - not as important on a flip - if it inst great, be prepared to explain what happen.

Income - not as important on a flip - but likley verified with taxes, paystubs, etc.

Be Honest, Professional and Timely - If this is a business for you, treat it like a business. If you are lacking one of the major items just communicate it. If your lender request docs send them over as soon as you can to keep your file on the top of their list. Organization goes a long way, no one wants to dig through a file to find information. 

Once you have done a few deals with your lender they will go out of their way to help you. The relationship is very important. 

Good Luck!

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  • Rental Property Investor · Charleston, WV · Member since 2013 · 262 posts · 109 votes
    10y

    I don't have experience in this, but I've asked the same question. The best answer I've found is the deal itself. If you find a property and show in the numbers how great a deal it is, your credibility comes in second or third to that.

    If you were hungry, would you rather buy 10 steaks for $10 or 2 hamburgers for $10? It's in the price and value that a deal is made.

  • Sean BlomquistPro Member
    Lender · Blaine, MN · Member since 2013 · 303 posts · 131 votes
    10y

    @James Cannon shoot me an email directly, and I can send you more info about what we look for.

    I think we can help you out.

  • Investor/Landlord · Farmington Hills, MI · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    BP is a great forum. There are some very experienced investors who freely share their experiences. The previous post (2 before mine) is an example of why you must be careful of who you accept advice from. The poster states he has no experience but has asked the same question. He then proceeds to provide the best answer he has found. If he has no experience how has he determined what the best answer is?

    To answer the OP's question,  HMLs will consider everything a traditional lender will consider but will often be willing to lend when a traditional lender will not.

    "Good credit" will usually get you better rates and terms but may not be necessary if the deal has enough equity or the borrower has enough experience creating equity. This does not necessarily mean a good credit score. Some lenders will not even pull your credit score. They will usually ask for references and indications that you keep your word and satisfy your obligations.

    "Guaranteed money back"--what does this mean? There are no guarantees.

    "Money down" will always help get the best rates. Many lenders will not lend without it. Your money in the deal shows you trust your own ability to complete the project and shows the lender that you have something to lose if the project takes a wrong turn. Your money helps protect against the lender taking a loss and makes it less likely that you will walk away from the project. Lenders want their money paid back. They will take your equity if they must but that is not their primary business.

    There are many types of lenders with many different types of criteria. Some will prefer certain geographic areas, some will prefer certain types of projects, some will prefer certain types of borrowers. The longer your history of completing successful projects, the stronger your deals, the better your plans and the better you get at executing your plans, the more exit strategies you master, and the more of your own funds you are willing to commit to your project, the more likely you will find a lender to partner with at favorable terms. Best wishes.

  • Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 597 votes
    10y

    Keeping in mind that every lender is different - they have different appetites and risk tolerances (pricing typically is relative).

    Lenders want to see:

    A good deal - something you can make money on - that should be important to both parties

    Some liquid assets - Money in the bank, the ability to handle a deal if there are cost over runs or a long holding period. 

    Experience - always a plus - if you don't have it - have people on your team that do have it and can speak intelligently about the deal - contractor, agent, take out lender, mentor, etc.

    Exit Strategy - a clear exit strategy - if flipping - how long to complete repairs and relist, estimated time to contract/ days on market, plan if no offers at asking price. if a Refinance - who is the lender, have they done like transactions, have they looked at your full file or just approved you based on an initial conversation. 5+ units - how long does the asset need to be stabilized before refinance can be done?

    Credit - not as important on a flip - if it inst great, be prepared to explain what happen.

    Income - not as important on a flip - but likley verified with taxes, paystubs, etc.

    Be Honest, Professional and Timely - If this is a business for you, treat it like a business. If you are lacking one of the major items just communicate it. If your lender request docs send them over as soon as you can to keep your file on the top of their list. Organization goes a long way, no one wants to dig through a file to find information. 

    Once you have done a few deals with your lender they will go out of their way to help you. The relationship is very important. 

    Good Luck!

  • Banker · Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 45 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    Wow, tons of great advice and insight. Thank you all so much! 

  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @James Cannon:

    ... My focus is set on purchasing an apartment complex that has a minumun of five units and to live in one of the units. I've been advised that finding good Hard Money lenders is a smart route to go because my ability to pay 20% on a conventional loan is limited, at this time. My question is, what are hard money lenders looking for? Good Credit, guaranteed money back, skin in the game (money down)???? I'm not a multi-millionaire (yet) but I'd like to know what they look for in a good deal and in a good borrower. 

    HML do not want to do owner occupied property, so forget that already. The 5 unit deal might not fit lending criteria of some HML, so you might have to ask around on that. The HML that do residential only will limit their loans to property with 4 units max.

  • Banker · Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 45 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    @Steve Babiak, so no HML will do owner occupied properties or more than 5 units??

  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    10y

    The owner occupied part, you will find it hard to locate any HML willing to do that.

    The 5 or more units lenders are out there - i said the residential only HML won't do more than 4 units. So when you are seeking the HML for 5 or more units, that should be the first thing you ask about.

  • Banker · Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 45 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    @Account Closed, Ill check it out. Thanks!

  • Lender · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @James Cannon:

    @Steve Babiak, so no HML will do owner occupied properties or more than 5 units??

     The reason no one does owner occupied is the disclosure requirements and red tape make it a legal nightmare. We only lend to 'qualified investors' for that reason. But we'll do more than 5 units all day long.

    We look at both the property and the borrower equally. We usually require a 10-20% down payment, or another property as collateral, but some do not. They are generally higher rates though, as no down payment loans are riskier. Our best rate is 10% with 2 points, and that goes to folks who have experience, liquidity, decent credit, and a project with a healthy margin. If you're missing one of those things, it might go up to 10.5% and 2.5, and so on. We also adjust the amount we'll lend based on those factors. So if it is really important for a borrower to get 10% and 2 points, and they're missing one of those factors, we may say OK, but we'll only lend 80% of purchase and rehab, or something like that. 

  • Banker · Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 45 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    Thanks for your perspective @Jason Hirko! 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    10y

    @James Cannon not much to add to the advice above.. other than when I ran my HML shops I was a relationship lender.. I wanted to meet and know my client... this is what I do today.

    Character and experience are important to me... along with experience.. If I choose some one with little experience I am doing that to groom them to become a top performer..

    other wise need lots of expeierence I think the biggest thing I see from those that are not use to HML or trying to get into flipping is

    1. thinking that HML are only asset based.. NOT true was true prior to 08 in a limited fashion but we learned the hard way that asset lending only is far to risky.

    2. you need some money... granted I do no money down deals but those ware with my trusted clients of a decade or more with lots of water under our bridge or as forementioned I pick one or two beginners and I groom them.. and I pick them for specific reasons.

    3. credit and income Most HML want to see this.. if you don't have massive experience.

    4. anyone advertising rates under what @Jason Hirko mention is probably out to get due diligence money from you and won't fund.

    5. Investor simply do not know how to run the numbers and by the time you run them for them and they are not really making any money they say OH I see what you mean.. its funny how basic math is just lost on many folks  LOL

  • Banker · Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 45 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    Thanks for weighing in @Jay Hinrichs! Are you still in HML? Do the rates vary by state at all?... @Jason Hirko is in California and I'm in Minnesota, is it possible rates could be different from city to city?

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    10y

    @James Cannon  rates are different in almost all states. 

  • Banker · Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 45 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    Cool, thanks @Jay Hinrichs

  • Private Money Lender · Buena Park, CA · Member since 2015 · 80 posts · 41 votes
    10y

    Hi James,

    You already have some excellent answers and I apologize in advance if I give advice that has already been given. I scanned thru the posts and might have missed some answers. I have little different approach. I am HML and my advice is "keep away from HMLs if you can. HMLs are not well suited If you are buying to hold. In your case there is much simple approach. Since you are planning to live in one of the units settle for buying only 4 units and get 30 years FHA loan at 4% WITH ONLY 3.5% down payment requirement. "PROBLEM SOLVED"

    I hope you qualify for FHA loan,

    Good luck,

    George 

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