$12,400 closing costs for $129,900 property?

$12,400 closing costs for $129,900 property?

Member since 2019 · 39 posts · 29 votes

I'm currently under contract for a turn-key investment property in Baltimore City that is valued at $129,900. I just received the documents from my lender showing total estimated closing costs of $12,400, making the estimated cash to close $38,400. I am putting down 20%.

$8,200 closing costs

$3,600 prepaids

The interest rate is 5%, almost $4,000 origination charges. I feel like it is too much? Should I look for another lender?

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Northern NJ · Member since 2017 · 38 posts · 18 votes
6y

holy hell. Rate is crazy high as well as those costs. shop around. try credit unions

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  • Lender · United States · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 499 votes
    6y

    Too high. Origination shouldn't be 4 pts unless you're buying down the rate.

  • Northern NJ · Member since 2017 · 38 posts · 18 votes
    6y

    holy hell. Rate is crazy high as well as those costs. shop around. try credit unions

  • Rental Property Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2020 · 53 posts · 48 votes
    6y

    I'm only at my learning/saving phase on this and even I would even look elsewhere as well. Probably shop around for at least 2 more lenders if not more. Part of due diligence, right. By my calculation 12400 to 129900 is 9.5%. Last I check is that the average closing cost in Bmore city is about 3.5%. Would not hurt to shop for more lenders. 

  • Member since 2019 · 39 posts · 29 votes
    6y

    That's what I thought, the numbers seemed way too off. Thank you, guys!!

  • Joe SplitrockPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes
    6y

    @Ethan Kramer ask them to provide a sample settlement statement with estimated costs by line item. What type of loan is this? Is it a conventional mortgage or some type of commercial loan? Take out the $4000 origination fee and drop the rate below 4% and you are more in the realm of reality.

  • Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2020 · 80 posts · 66 votes
    6y

    Definitely shop around. Lender's are competitive, especially when they see another offer on the table. I hate closing costs more than anything else as a young, newer investor. I will slightly up my offers to have the seller pay more at closing whenever possible.

  • Member since 2020 · 54 posts · 30 votes
    6y

    @Ethan Kramer you mentioned lender I'm curious are you using a mortgage broker or are you working directly with a bank?

  • Ozzy SirimsiBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 782 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Ethan Kramer:

    I'm currently under contract for a turn-key investment property in Baltimore City that is valued at $129,900. I just received the documents from my lender showing total estimated closing costs of $12,400, making the estimated cash to close $38,400. I am putting down 20%.

    $8,200 closing costs

    $3,600 prepaids

    The interest rate is 5%, almost $4,000 origination charges. I feel like it is too much? Should I look for another lender?

    I rather get a little higher interest rate than paying 4K  out of pocket.

    12K is too high.

  • Contractor · Grand Marais, MN · Member since 2016 · 249 posts · 417 votes
    6y

    Some of the estimates are high. Talk to the lender and go over it. Does it include escrow for taxes? You don't have to take that

  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    6y

    How much of that is property taxes and utilities?

  • Member since 2019 · 39 posts · 29 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

    @Ethan Kramer ask them to provide a sample settlement statement with estimated costs by line item. What type of loan is this? Is it a conventional mortgage or some type of commercial loan? Take out the $4000 origination fee and drop the rate below 4% and you are more in the realm of reality.

     Conventional mortgage. Thinking the same thing, thank you so much!

  • Member since 2019 · 39 posts · 29 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Theresa Harris:

    How much of that is property taxes and utilities?

     $4,200 in taxes (prepaid costs), $8,200 in closing costs

  • Member since 2019 · 39 posts · 29 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Angelo Forzano:

    @Ethan Kramer you mentioned lender I'm curious are you using a mortgage broker or are you working directly with a bank?

     Mortgage broker. I have reached out to PNC and will talk to them tomorrow morning. Hopefully I will find something significantly better.

  • Professional · Washington, DC (washington dc) · Member since 2015 · 57 posts · 11 votes
    6y

    @Ethan Kramer that’s too high. I’m buying a house in Baltimore and it’s $240K with 12K closing.

    Wellsfargo is offering 3.5% for investment properties.

  • Rental Property Investor · Dayton, OH · Member since 2019 · 293 posts · 440 votes
    6y

    @Ethan Kramer that's high brother. 4K origination is not good at all. Look at other lenders commercially. Lima Capital is a group and has treated me very fairly on HML, rental loans and portfolio loans.

  • Joe S.Pro Member
    Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Ethan Kramer:
    Originally posted by @Theresa Harris:

    How much of that is property taxes and utilities?

     $4,200 in taxes (prepaid costs), $8,200 in closing costs

     So it’s 8,200 in closing cost.

  • Rental Property Investor · Boston, Massachusetts (MA) · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Ethan Kramer Yowie. Are your attorney's fees included in that? Was there anything particularly unusual about the deal such as a phase 2 environmental etc?. I would call and ask for an explanation of the charges on the settlement statement before you call around, so at least you will compare applies to applies. You mention both 3600 in prepaids and 4000 in prepaid taxes so I'm a bit confused. I'm not a big fan of shopping rates and terms for .25%s and a few hundred bucks but that is really pretty steep. How is your credit? Those seem pretty punitive terms at 20%. Its a small loan, so I'd imagine fees are high but...

  • Rental Property Investor · Boston, Massachusetts (MA) · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Ethan Kramer don't suppose you are using the turnkey companies suggested lender?

  • Real Estate Agent · Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2014 · 486 posts · 303 votes
    6y

    @Ethan Kramer yeah seems really high. I see around $4k for $130k in NC or VA

  • Member since 2019 · 39 posts · 29 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jonathan R McLaughlin:

    @Ethan Kramer Yowie. Are your attorney's fees included in that? Was there anything particularly unusual about the deal such as a phase 2 environmental etc?. I would call and ask for an explanation of the charges on the settlement statement before you call around, so at least you will compare applies to applies. You mention both 3600 in prepaids and 4000 in prepaid taxes so I'm a bit confused. I'm not a big fan of shopping rates and terms for .25%s and a few hundred bucks but that is really pretty steep. How is your credit? Those seem pretty punitive terms at 20%. Its a small loan, so I'd imagine fees are high but...

    My apologies, I just reviewed with the lender and the major fees are:

    $2,850 origination charges

    $1,100 underwriting fee

    $1,949 transfer taxes

    $2,310 property taxes and homeowners insurance

    $900 homeowners insurance premium

    Total Loan Costs (A+B+C): $6,220

    Total Other Costs (E+F+G+H): $6,169

    My FICO is 714

  • Member since 2019 · 39 posts · 29 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Joe S.:
    Originally posted by @Ethan Kramer:
    Originally posted by @Theresa Harris:

    How much of that is property taxes and utilities?

     $4,200 in taxes (prepaid costs), $8,200 in closing costs

     So it’s 8,200 in closing cost.

     You are correct.

  • Member since 2020 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    @Ethan Kramer I wonder if there is a lien against the property or something like that

  • Rental Property Investor · Boston, Massachusetts (MA) · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Ethan Kramer ok so you really can’t count. Most of this against the bank. The transfer taxes are a cost of doing business imposed by the state, insurance etc are prepaid. The bank is charging you just under 4K for the loan. Not preferred customer discount necessarily, but not at all out of line.

  • Member since 2020 · 217 posts · 167 votes
    6y
    Pretty expensive....

    $2,850 origination charges

    $1,100 underwriting fee

    $1,949 transfer taxes

    $2,310 property taxes and homeowners insurance

    $900 homeowners insurance premium

    You can eliminate all of the above except transfer taxes if you ask the seller for financing. Have you done that? You might still have a few items like RE tax depending on when they collect it. Unless it's a killer deal, could be a reason to shop around for other deals.

  • Chicago · Member since 2018 · 216 posts · 165 votes
    6y

    I found lenders who will charge NO origination charges. You have one loan. Now go shopping. Try better.com: they advertise, no lending fees, no commission. 

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