Too good of a deal to pass up!

Too good of a deal to pass up!

Wholesaler · Mechanicsville, VA · Member since 2015 · 63 posts · 16 votes

Hi, I am a wholesaler, so I usually pass my deals off to other investors, but I have come across one that is just too good to pass up.  Not only am I getting the house at 57% of its appraised value, but the owner is also doing all of the repairs and applying fresh paint before we close.  That said, my plan is to take out a hard money loan for the purchase, and then immediately refinance it, which would allow me to pull out around $10,000 (based on 75% of the appraised value) as well $200 cashflow each month if the tenant pays the average rent for the area.  The only problem is that I am not sure if the bank will allow me to do a cash out refi because technically I don't have a steady income, since my wholesaling paychecks come in chunks and are not guaranteed.  Is there any way that a bank will overlook my situation and allow me to do a cash out refi since the numbers work so well, and if not is there any other way to do a cash out refi without using a bank?  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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Rental Property Investor · Rockwall, TX · Member since 2015 · 891 posts · 701 votes
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@Zachary Gwin

It is doubtful - none of the national banks would allow this activity, but you may be able to sell this to a local bank, if you have an established relationship. Generally speaking, they will need you to show two years of tax returns to verify your income, which shouldn't be an issue of how many chunks it came in. Additionally, they will not allow you to refinance based on the appraisal without the appropriate seasoning. 

So, I think your options are to (1) buy the place and wait six months or whatever the seasoning period is (with hard money, probably not a good option) or (2) look for private capital, which is probably the best idea. If the deal is as good as you stated, I'm sure you can find an investor to front the money for a 8% to 10% return for as long as you need. That's the going rate of what we're paying here in Las Vegas, but may be different for private capital in your area.

-Christopher

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  • Rental Property Investor · Rockwall, TX · Member since 2015 · 891 posts · 701 votes
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    @Zachary Gwin

    It is doubtful - none of the national banks would allow this activity, but you may be able to sell this to a local bank, if you have an established relationship. Generally speaking, they will need you to show two years of tax returns to verify your income, which shouldn't be an issue of how many chunks it came in. Additionally, they will not allow you to refinance based on the appraisal without the appropriate seasoning. 

    So, I think your options are to (1) buy the place and wait six months or whatever the seasoning period is (with hard money, probably not a good option) or (2) look for private capital, which is probably the best idea. If the deal is as good as you stated, I'm sure you can find an investor to front the money for a 8% to 10% return for as long as you need. That's the going rate of what we're paying here in Las Vegas, but may be different for private capital in your area.

    -Christopher

  • Developer · San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    If you're hoping to use conventional Fannie/Freddie financing, this won't fly. You'll be limited to refi out only the amount you bought it for. They treat this situation as "Delayed Financing". I know because I just had this experience 5 weeks ago.
  • Investor · Shawnee Mission, KS · Member since 2015 · 423 posts · 114 votes
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    Just consider a few exit strategies. If mortgage would not work - sell to retail buyer with good profit. It is better to stick to your favorite business model
  • Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 10 posts · 3 votes
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    It will depend on how many mortgages you have. For multifamily units up to 4, banks go by personal credit and frown on giving mortgages if you already have four. On the other hand, 5 units or more are viewed as businesses, and personal credit is not as important. 

  • Real Estate Investor · Burlington, VT · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Zack Broaddus

    Most conventional lenders will use the purchase price for the refi, not that higher appraisal price.  When you purchase the property, it resets the appraised value.  They probably will require 6-12 months of seasoning too.

    As others mentioned, talk to local banks or a credit union to see if you qualify for a mortgage. If so, consider just purchasing through the bank and not using HML at all, to avoid the higher rates and fees.

    Good luck!

    - Tom

  • Realtor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 693 posts · 357 votes
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    This sounds like an awesome deal. I haven't used a hardmoney loan before myself, but maybe smaller banks would be more willing to work with you on it if the larger ones aren't

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2015 · 173 posts · 46 votes
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    You can try Clark County Credit Union, they have non owner occupied loans and they only require 3 months seasoning to go off the appraised value.

    There is also B2R finance that only requires 3 months seasoning but their single property loan is not yet available in NV (it could be by the time you reach the 3 months).

    And then you can try LendingHome to do the purchase outright, they may give you a 8ish rate fixed for 3 years.

    Jean

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