Seller misrepresented the property and now I am under contract?

Seller misrepresented the property and now I am under contract?

Realtor · Moorestown, NJ · Member since 2019 · 86 posts · 24 votes

In my scenario the property was being marketed as having “Central Air” cooling and it actually spells It out on the listing twice so I didn’t question it and after seeing so many properties that day i assumed everything was good to go. What are my options? I know that sometimes a condenser gets stolen from the the outside but this has no AC at all and will now need the duct work as well as the AC system which could cost me 10-15K. That’s a big mistake in my opinion. Thanks

I’m sure I could use this error to back out of the deal but I’ve already invested time and money into this deal and I am currently in the process of applying for a land use variance(Rezoned).

Should the seller have to pay for the entire thing if they provided false information to the listing agent?

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Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
6y

If you are the realtor, why didnt you notice the lack of AC when you wrote the offer? The standards for a licensed agent are considerably different than the standards for a member of the general public. 

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  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    6y

    @Corey Kenney  Talk to your realtor and see what they say.  You should be able to renegotiate.  make sure you take screen shots of the listing before you talk to them as it is easy enough for them to change it.

    If not and you will lose money on the deal putting it in, sometimes you need to walk away rather than throw good money after bad. 

  • Realtor · Moorestown, NJ · Member since 2019 · 86 posts · 24 votes
    6y

    @Theresa Harris

    Thanks Theresa for the input. I am the realtor in this transaction and I have sent the listing over to my attorney but I was curious as to the thoughts of others in this scenario while I’m waiting for him to get back to me . I have a potential 75k profit so I would be silly to walk away for even a 15K hit from that, it’s still a great deal.

  • Real Estate Broker · Portland, OR · Member since 2019 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    Should the seller have to pay for the entire thing if they provided false information to the listing agent?

    Does NJ law require a disclosure form from seller?  I'd assume yes.

    Go back and say your price relied on disclosures from seller/agent.  Disclosures were not accurate which affect price/value of house.  Go back and ask for price reduction.

  • Investor · Marin County California · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    Keep the deal.  Try to renegotiate the price if you can.  Your claim for misrepresentation will not go away if you accept the deal.  You can pursue it separately for damages if the seller refuses to renegotiate and you are so inclined.  If no renegotiation, at closing have your attorney send a letter to seller spelling out that you are reserving all of your rights to pursue a remedy for the misrepresentation.    

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    6y

    If you are the realtor, why didnt you notice the lack of AC when you wrote the offer? The standards for a licensed agent are considerably different than the standards for a member of the general public. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Northern NJ · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 677 votes
    6y

    Centeal AC isn't that super common in Northern NJ from what I've seen. If it was advertised having central AC,why didn't anyone verify that like @Russell Brazil said? You can do that in a drive by. 

    I'm about ownership and I'd say someone dropped the ball on your side on that one. 

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Do you have an inspection contingency?  What does the disclosure doc say?

    I'd personally say it's gray area. The MLS listing specifically have a statement that they should not be relied upon, etc.

    I would imagine this would usually come up during inspection (the AC doesn't work because it's not there) as an "average" person probably wouldn't know or think to look for a condenser or lineset while walking through the house.  I assume you waived inspections?

  • Real Estate Consultant · Bloomfield, NJ · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Mike McCarthy

    Good points. I doubt seller can be held liable for something that their realtor put in a listing. That's what home inspections are for.

  • Investor · Marietta, GA · Member since 2015 · 382 posts · 258 votes
    6y

    @Corey Kenney

    Sounds like you have discovered this during the due diligence process and I would suspect that you have a good opportunity to point this out to your buyer to renegotiate. Is your buyer willing to pay this much without an AC so you can get your 75K commission? I’m assuming the buyer is aware of this new development as well.

  • Realtor · Moorestown, NJ · Member since 2019 · 86 posts · 24 votes
    6y

    @Steve Morris

    There is no property disclosures required in NJ. As far as I know just a common law that protects a buyer from hidden materials facts.

  • Realtor · Moorestown, NJ · Member since 2019 · 86 posts · 24 votes
    6y

    @Russell Brazil

    Hopefully one day I can aspire to be like you and the other 5 voters, perfect. Thanks for giving back and providing value in the forums.

    ** When someone is doing their first Real Estate transaction ever, let alone their first investment ever you don’t need to try to make them feel small so you can appear big amongst others. I’m clawing my way through my first deal with my whole life savings on the line and yeah I will drop the ball, and I will take ownership for everything I do or anything my little team does but you better believe I won’t make the same mistake twice just like everyone else. Don’t forget why the forums exist, I asked a question if you don’t have the answer I’m looking for, move it along**

  • Mike CumbieBusiness Member
    REALTOR® · Brockport, NY · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6y

    @Corey Kenney

    If you are new I am guessing there is some miscommunication on terminology. REALTOR is a term that means you have membership in the National Association of REALTORS. In order to be a member you have to have passed your state licensing requirements and hung your license under a broker who oversees your transactions. You also must agree to abide by a set of articles and pay membership dues. 

    If you have passed your state licensing requirements one of the most important things they teach is your states Disclosure laws pertaining to the property as well as the responsibilities of the agent. Some comments are based on the fact you are a licensed member of NAR (and they have certain expectations of your abilities) If you are not and just kind of saying "I'm acting as my own agent" that will be a completely different ball of wax. Like a ASE certified and licensed Brake mechanic saying "What's a caliper" is way different than an average person at home saying "What's a caliper".

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    @Corey Kenney - I don't think this was Russel's intention, even though I totally get why you took it this way. Here is the back story: 

    One should hire an experienced agent, not just an agent. This industry has a 90% drop out rate, so after 2 years you are considered a veteran. NAR says the average agent does 7 deals a year - you can't know anything from doing 7 deals. Don't hire a rookie to help you! The license itself does not do much, it's the experience that brings value.

    Many new investors think it is smart to get licensed and self represent - instead of spending some time to find a guy like @Russell Brazilwho will do a 5 minute walk through and just rattle off anything that is off with a property, because he has done it a million times. I am sure he did not mean to offend you.

    Anyway, you have been given good advice: take a screen shot and re-negotiate the deal. Hopefully the seller has equity and motivation. It might have been the agents mistake (don't get me started) and the seller may have never mentioned AC. Test their motivation and see who blinks first! 

    Good luck!

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Corey Kenney:

    @Russell Brazil

    Hopefully one day I can aspire to be like you and the other 5 voters, perfect. Thanks for giving back and providing value in the forums.

    ** When someone is doing their first Real Estate transaction ever, let alone their first investment ever you don’t need to try to make them feel small so you can appear big amongst others. I’m clawing my way through my first deal with my whole life savings on the line and yeah I will drop the ball, and I will take ownership for everything I do or anything my little team does but you better believe I won’t make the same mistake twice just like everyone else. Don’t forget why the forums exist, I asked a question if you don’t have the answer I’m looking for, move it along**

     Dude, you dont need to be snarky or passive aggressive. I asked a straight forward question, which could have had multiple possible answers that could possibly enlighten us to the situation. For instance one possible answer could have been you were buying site unseen and relying on documentation and not what your eyes can see. 

    You never stated any where in your post that this was your first transaction, only that you were the realtor, and the 2nd sentence in my post illustrates the issue there. 

    From the moment you get your license, the legal standards for you completely change. The government doesn't care if it is your first transaction. Once you are licensed, they deem you to be an expert. So, with no disclosure law in NJ as youve posted, you relied on information then in the MLS Im assuming. Standard MLS disclosure is that information is deemed accurate but not guaranteed.

    Sucks learning the hard way, but honestly better to make your mistakes on your own transactions than on a clients.  

    Having a license doesnt mean you know what you are doing, and theres nothing wrong with that fact. It takes time to learn. Consider joining a team where you can have someone more directly walking you through the process. Or even hire another agent til you do. I hire agents when I'm doing business in other states, and I represent other agents as well.  Find a mentor for the first year to walk yoi through the first few deals. All these things likely mean splitting your commission with someone, but thats likely less costly than the potential mistakes youll avoid. 

  • Realtor · Moorestown, NJ · Member since 2019 · 86 posts · 24 votes
    6y

    @Mike Cumbie

    Yes, I am a member of the NAR as it's a requirement of my brokerage, so yes I referred to myself as "Realtor". So what you are saying is, I'm not representing myself to the highest standard upheld by the NAR . Thanks 😀

  • Realtor · Moorestown, NJ · Member since 2019 · 86 posts · 24 votes
    6y

    @Marcus Auerbach

    Thanks Marcus, I completely understand and I agree with everything you said.

  • Realtor · Moorestown, NJ · Member since 2019 · 86 posts · 24 votes
    6y

    @Russell Brazil

    Russell,

    I typed out a very long reply but as I was scrolling I was closed out and now I don't have time to retype it but I wanted to say my reaction was not necessary and that I'm not used to be in the subpar performance group with anything I do but being new I expect small mistakes from myself but I relied on someone else's word(Listing) regardless of it being the seller or the agents fault. The rest of my response was back story to add context just to share what I've been dealing with like the last 6 months of countless hours and frustration of asking HML for POF's and writing up offers just to have them not be accepted I'm sure you guys/ gals know all about it. I know it's hot in many markets but it's just been a challenge. My point to that was the fact that, In the beginning I was walking every property and taking pictures and all my offers had contingencies but as months went by getting beat every time against 25-30 offers for each property. I realized it was less about price and more about speed especially when you have to use a Hard Money Lender. These are things I gathered from listing agents when I would circle back with them after a loss.

    Given the need to be efficient and the fact that I thought this deal was good enough to absorb any small defects as long as it was standing up right and it is.. this led me to miss the AC. Hopefully I’ll get to go to closing but for now it’s all still a pipe dream, I need to get past the land use board first.

    Just to clarify the way I handle my own transaction is not the same way I would handle a clients transaction and I would/do take the my fiduciary responsibility very serious. I would not advise a client to waive any contingencies or waive their home inspection, close quickly or to use a high interest rate lender. I also know in that case, I have others to lean on if needed

    -My recap was still very long-

    Thanks

  • Realtor · Moorestown, NJ · Member since 2019 · 86 posts · 24 votes
    6y

    @Corey Kenney

    Okay everyone, I’m turning to you once again for this same property. Yes I should have had an inspection but I didn’t and during my further inspection I found a wall in the attic that has charred 2x4’s and plywood that is almost completely covered up except around the window and this would explain the fact that the entire roof was replace at some point in the last 10 years. I asked the listing agent if there was anything disclosed to him regarding a fire and he said he was not aware of a fire at that property and he’s a veteran in that area so I thought he might remember seeing something. The listing agent said he would ask the Fire Marshall and get back to me with his findings and that was 48 hours ago. Is this definitely 100% an undisclosed material defect? How can I get this work inspected and approved so that future buyers dont/can’t walk away when I have to disclose it. I want to just cover it and keep it moving on this deal but I’m worried this was never reported and they attempted to cover it up. What if the current seller says it was like that when he bought it? Please advise

    Thanks

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