If I buy a LLC that owns property, does the tax basis change?

If I buy a LLC that owns property, does the tax basis change?

Rental Property Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2017 · 134 posts · 93 votes

Hi BP experts, 

Im looking to purchase a multifamily property that is owned by an LLC. For various reasons im considering buying the Business VS. buying the property, now my question is: Does the property tax assessment change, if the state (California) is only allowed to reassess if the owner changes or I do a large remodel?

The new assessment would almost triple the current property tax, which I am fine with since I also get to depreciate the higher value, I assume I can't have one without the other? (or can I - keep old prop. tax assessment AND claim depreciation on the purchase price?)

Help me clear my brain knots please! :D 

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Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
5y

@Eamonn McElroy Am I correct that the depreciable basis for the real estate remains As It Is, the basis for the new owner is the current already depreciated basis....Not changed due to buying the llc instead of the actual real estate, regardless of price paid?

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    Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    5y

    I think you've confused a couple of concepts here which all address first.  From your parenthetical comment, it seems you are guessing you may have confused them. 

    • Your tax assessment has nothing to do with how much depreciation you can take.   Depreciation is based on the purchase price, minus land.
    • So, if your tax assessment goes up, the only thing that happens is you pay more tax.  There is no "added benefit" for you.

    Regarding the tax assessment, I cannot speak to California, but Michigan has a similar tax structure.  The state here quickly got wise to property purchase vs entity purchase and have been aggressively going after people trying to hide the transaction with an entity purchase.  You would be wise to expect that CA would do the same and your property taxes would triple.  If the deal doesn't make sense with 3x taxes, I wouldn't buy it.

    Finally, it is worth talking to your attorney. The downside of buying an entity is that you get to keep any liability they have created. So, for example, if they are violating fair housing today, the entity you buy from them could get sued and you could lose the property. Your attorney may also find their operating agreement was poorly created, or the LLC was poorly maintained, which might cause you to lose any and all liability protection.

  • Rental Property Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2017 · 134 posts · 93 votes
    5y
    Thx Greg, 

    I may have poorly expressed my thoughts, but that actually does answer my questions perfectly and confirms my understanding! The numbers make sense / are based off the increased taxes, but I won't complain if I don't have to pay higher taxes despite depreciating the actual value haha!

    Much appreciate the warning regarding the liability issues with buying the entity, Im aware of the potential problems a purchase of the entity vs the asset can create, we will have that covered my an attorney (if I don't just buy the asset. 

    Thanks you so much again for chiming in!


    Originally posted by @Greg Scott:

    I think you've confused a couple of concepts here which all address first.  From your parenthetical comment, it seems you are guessing you may have confused them. 

    • Your tax assessment has nothing to do with how much depreciation you can take.   Depreciation is based on the purchase price, minus land.
    • So, if your tax assessment goes up, the only thing that happens is you pay more tax.  There is no "added benefit" for you.

    Regarding the tax assessment, I cannot speak to California, but Michigan has a similar tax structure.  The state here quickly got wise to property purchase vs entity purchase and have been aggressively going after people trying to hide the transaction with an entity purchase.  You would be wise to expect that CA would do the same and your property taxes would triple.  If the deal doesn't make sense with 3x taxes, I wouldn't buy it.

    Finally, it is worth talking to your attorney. The downside of buying an entity is that you get to keep any liability they have created. So, for example, if they are violating fair housing today, the entity you buy from them could get sued and you could lose the property. Your attorney may also find their operating agreement was poorly created, or the LLC was poorly maintained, which might cause you to lose any and all liability protection.

  • Accountant · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    It's generally advisable to structure purchases like these as asset purchases instead of a purchase of the LLC.

    With the latter, you absorb off balance sheet liabilities, contingencies, future lawsuits stemming from events that happened before your purchase, etc.

    You may want to talk to with your legal counsel before pulling the trigger.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    5y

    @Eamonn McElroy Am I correct that the depreciable basis for the real estate remains As It Is, the basis for the new owner is the current already depreciated basis....Not changed due to buying the llc instead of the actual real estate, regardless of price paid?

  • Accountant · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Wayne Brooks

    Depends on how the LLC is taxed for federal income tax purposes before the sale.

    If a SMLLC that is disregarded or a MMLLC taxed as a partnership, it's treated as an asset sale for tax purposes. No different than buying the real estate directly (read: basis increase, start over depreciation at new basis, which should be FMV).

    If a corporate tax entity...S or C, the basis of the assets in corporation remain the same post-sale.  The purchase price is reflected in the purchaser's basis in the stock of the corporation.

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