ASSET BASED LENDING VS TRADITIONAL BANKING RENTAL PROPERTY FINANCING

ASSET BASED LENDING VS TRADITIONAL BANKING RENTAL PROPERTY FINANCING

Lender · Mokena, IL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 261 votes

Greetings All,

We offer rental property financing for residential investment properties nationwide - No tax return required or personal debt to income counted against you. Bank rates/terms.

We make “asset-based” loans, which means we evaluate the cash flow of your rental property rather than your personal debt to income ratio.

Our typical client owns 5 or more units, and has been turned down by the bank due to insufficient income shown on their tax returns. We make it simple to qualify and use a common sense approach to approving your loan. Personal debts do not count against you.

Currently we have a 5 unit minimum - $500,000 loan minimum, however this is going to change by end of year to 1 unit minimum with loan of $100-150K minimum.

The main difference's between us and a traditional bank.

1. We offer 10 year fixed rate/ 30 year amortizations. In general, banks only lend up to 5yr/20 amortizations

2. We offer non-recourse loans - Banks only recourse

3. We do not require tax returns and do not look at your personal debts. We only care about the cash flow of the property - With banking, there is something called global debt service ratio that can kill a deal very quickly because personal debts are counted against you.

4. We allow 90 day value seasoning from the day you close. This will allow you to cash out based on fair market value with out waiting 12 months, therefore leveraging the equity to buy more property sooner than later - Most banks will not allow you to leverage the equity until property is owned for 12 months

5. We do not care how many properties you own, we can finance as many as you would us like to.

6. Minimum FICO 660 - Most banks 700 and higher

7. Cash out for anything - Most banks want to know where the cash is going to be spent

8. Minimum Debt Service ratio 1.2% NO Global Debt Service Ratio. We only look at the asset- Traditional banking count personal debts against you

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Real Estate Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2011 · 139 posts · 101 votes
12y

@Bob Green What are typical rates right now your 5 year fixed program?  Also does your program have extremely steep pre-payment penalties?

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  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2012 · 408 posts · 37 votes
    12y

    Bob, can you please elaborate in detail how the DSCR is calculated? It will help us investors plan for loans like this.

  • Real Estate Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2011 · 139 posts · 101 votes
    12y

    @Bob Green What are typical rates right now your 5 year fixed program?  Also does your program have extremely steep pre-payment penalties?

  • Lender · Mokena, IL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 261 votes
    12y

    Ben; 

    In general, global debt service ratio's are calculated like this, but can vary depending on the bank.

    1. Add your total income between both rental property and w2 income, and subtract out all of the expenses on the rental properties

    2. Take this figure and subtract out 25% for living expenses, annual PITI for primary residence, charge accounts and car payments annualized, PITI for all rental properties, and the P&I payments for the properties are refinancing.

    3. Take this figure and divide it into the figure in #1 above.  The global debt service should be 1.2 or greater or the bank will likely turn you down because of regulations.

    Hope this helps.

  • Lender · Mokena, IL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 261 votes
    12y

    Hello Craig,

    Rates are driven by loan to value and loan amount.  5 and 10 year fixed, rates can range from middle 5's to middle 6's, 30 year amortization, non-recourse.

    As with most commercial loans at 5 years or greater term, there is a prepayment penalty, which is yield maintenance.  This loan structure is for buy/hold clients.

    Hope this helps.  If you have any other question please feel free to ask.

  • Real Estate Agent · Beverly, MA · Member since 2013 · 353 posts · 93 votes
    12y

    @Bob Green 

    Do you have specific markets where you lend? Sounds like a great lending product geared towards buy and hold investors. 

  • Banker · Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 158 posts · 129 votes
    12y

    @Bob Green 

    When calculating property cash flow how do you figure expenses?  Do you subtract vacancy, maintenance, management from noi? If so how do you determine the amount for these expenses?  Do you require escrows of taxes, insurance, and/or maintenance?  

    I may be able to send some folks your way.  Yield maintenance is a tough pill to swallow but it's par for the course when utilizing non-bank long term financing.

  • Lender · Mokena, IL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 261 votes
    12y

    Brian - We lend nationwide except for Alaska and Utah.

  • Lender · Mokena, IL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 261 votes
    12y

    Waylon,

    Very good question. We take the rents and subtract 25% off the top, then divide that number into the PITI. The debt service required is 1.2 or greater.

    Yes, escrows are required. Plus capital expenditures.

    Yes - Agreed RE: yield maintenance.  This type of finance is for the buy/hold client.

  • Vienna, VA · Member since 2011 · 80 posts · 8 votes
    12y

    That sounds exactly like what some of my buyers have been looking for!  I'll be contacting you directly, Bob.  :)

  • Lender · Mokena, IL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 261 votes
    12y

    Lisa,

    That sounds great.

    Talk soon.

  • Banker · Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 158 posts · 129 votes
    12y

    Thanks @Bob Green  for the straightforward response.  Pulling 25% off the top and putting taxes and insurance in the denominator of dscr hurts things a bit, but allowing 1.2 on a 30 year definitely helps out.  

  • Real Estate Agent/Investor · Lehi, UT · Member since 2013 · 58 posts · 8 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Bob Green:

    Brian - We lend nationwide except for Alaska and Utah.

    Bob,  being from Utah and currently maintaining over 60 rental properties, I am curious about why Utah is specifically excluded from your lending guidelines.  

    Please expound.  

  • Lender · Mokena, IL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 261 votes
    12y

    My apologies. Alaska and Hawaii are the only states we do not lend in.

  • Investor · Redford, MI · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 1 vote
    12y

    I purchase through my LLC. What are the requirements there? There is a partner involved as well. Thanks.

  • Lender · Mokena, IL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 261 votes
    12y

    Hello Eddie,

    The loan is required to close in the name of a llc. If you would Ike to use your current llc, we'll need of review first. If rejected, we create a new one free of charge.

    Thanks,

    Bob

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 84 posts · 20 votes
    12y

    Looks quite familiar, is this your own product or are you brokering for B2R or another like them?

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Cookeville, TN · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 948 votes
    11y

    @bob 

    @Bob Green I am very interested in this loan program.  However, I just recently went through a $400,000+ refi on my whole portfolio (well, almost all of it).  And I really don't want to go through the closing costs again this soon.  BUT, I want to expand and buy more properties.  But, it looks like your program is only for refis.  Is that correct?  What if I bought some more properties with owner-financing (either sub-2 or the seller is carrying a note) - could I then do the refi with your program with these properties?

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