Freakonomics podcast: Why Rent Control Doesn’t Work

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Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
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If rent control worked, then San Francisco, Berkeley, New York City, and Oakland, would have the lowest rents in the country. 

Nuff said...

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  • Real Estate Agent · Oakland, CA · Member since 2018 · 54 posts · 42 votes
    7y

    I listen to it and completely agree with them, though I am a bit bias as a landlord. Rent Control is pretty much laws created by the local incumbent tenants to keep out the competition. Of course, it hurt the overall rent economy and less value for everyone overall. Rent Control is everywhere because new people that plan to move those cities can't vote against these rent control laws that hurt them. and us landlord are hated micro minority.

    The only way to deal with these uneconomic laws is on the State and National level because it is in the best interest of the State and Federal government to extract much Tax as possible from rent. If we want to fight rent control, we need to push and lobby at that level. 

  • Chris MasonPro Member
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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    7y

    If rent control worked, then San Francisco, Berkeley, New York City, and Oakland, would have the lowest rents in the country. 

    Nuff said...

  • Real Estate Agent · Oakland, CA · Member since 2018 · 54 posts · 42 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Chris Mason:

    If rent control worked, then San Francisco, Berkeley, New York City, and Oakland, would have the lowest rents in the country. 

    Nuff said...

     That means it is working as intended to keep outsiders out and insiders with low rent. 

  • Darren SagerPro Member
    Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    Rent control is put into place politically by predominantly Democrats who think they're actually trying to help (or pander to their voting block) as a means of "protecting those who could get forced out by higher rents" I believe is what I've heard most over the past couple decades I've been at this.    Its super funny, those who think rent control is a good thing, and want to limit the amount of monies that property owners collect.  But when it comes to them selling their own properties, do you think that they would be in favor of price controls that would allow someone else to purchase their property below market values so that they would collect less for their home?  Nope.  God forbid.  Not a chance.  

  • Investor · Huntsville, AL · Member since 2015 · 149 posts · 80 votes
    7y

    This is microeconomics 101. Price ceilings cause shortages. Some lucky tenants get to take advantage and the rest can't find a place they can afford. Landlords profits are lessened and so they do not take the same care of their units as they would if they were trying to maximize profits.

    However, on a grassroots level it is definitely looked at as a way to keep the Gentry from completely taking over and I do think it succeeds at that to snow extent.

  • Sally FairchildPro Member
    Investor · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2016 · 106 posts · 84 votes
    7y

    @Kevin McGuire

    Another great book on this subject is Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell

  • Investor / Broker · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2016 · 665 posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    So this article has some really great points on BOTH sides, BTW. I as a resident of NYC for about 50 years AND a Landlord of small buildings (4 Family and below) have a couple of insights in regards to comments made about NYC.

    FIRST, the article does sight some important issues in regards to regulated apts where the family unit was large and then, over time, reduced to a very small size. The example has a woman who is a Widower and lives in a 3 Bedroom regulated apt, but was not asked to down size after her family reduced in size.

    In defense, however, I would ask how often does this happen? I do suspect quite often.

    This in itself causes a shortage.

    I also know that any RE Investor who is looking for his next investment in NYC should be smart enough NOT to buy to close to a low income housing project. Most crime DOES happen there and rents will be much lower than areas that are the same distance to work but are further away from these low income housing complexes.

    What the article does NOT address is the impact of AirBnB and other STR. In the mostly low rental areas in NYC but are easy to get to Manhattan or good areas in Brooklyn, Landlords would rather rent short term than to rent to an unqualified tenant and potentially get into a court case, this is ASIDE from making better income on the STRs.

    That also reduces the supply of available apts.

    Other issues that has not been addressed but was touched upon when over-consumption was mentioned is that in these rent regulated buildings, there is usually a high demand for services, which will add to a landlord's expense, such as older residents demanding more heating despite conforming to heating laws (BTW, this isn't every landlord... I do know there are a lot of NYCHA buildings that fail to supply heat at all!).

    Had renters actually had to pay for their own consumption, they would really think twice about keeping the window open during freezing winters and adjusting their thermostat.

    Many have a sense that if the Landlord is paying for a service, it's ok to waste it.

    Another issue not really addressed in the article is that rent regulated apts include tenant protections even when the tenant had done something criminal. For instance, in the low housing complexes, I have a contractor that served as a maintenance person for over 20 years. He tells me that he has to fix the locks at least ONCE a WEEK because someone will eventually forget their keys and just break the lock. It's a sense that because the city has hired someone to fix things like that, it's ok to break it. Same goes for the surveillance cameras as well.

    What really is problematic is that no matter how much you try to tell people NOT to FLUSH down things like diapers that will cause the sewers to back up, it ALWAYS happen... and, according to my Contractor.... there is no worse job than to clean up that mess.

    So.... correct some of these that lead to over-consumption, high maintenance costs, etc. and you may get a better, more affordable housing situation.

    I don't think it's a large percentage of the people that are the problem. It may be only about 10% or 20% of the population in these low income housing complexes. But they make it HELL for everyone else and drive the cost of ownership WAY up.

    No one wants to own one of these over the long run. It doesn't really make sense if you cannot evict problematic tenants, restrict rental increases and your costs goes up over time while market rate apts sky-rocket.

    HENCE why I invest in smaller buildings that are not rent-regulated. It's actually a gold mine because you have much more control over your buildings and the residents in it and the Vacancy Rates are held incredibly low because rent-regulated apts are basically removed from the available housing stock, lowering the supply of apts, as well as other factors including AirBnB.

    I have also seen abuse go both ways where Landlords purposely harass tenants. In fact, one strategy is to file for eviction on all your rent regulated tenants, regardless if they have done NOTHING wrong. It only costs $75 to file the papers, so why not? AND, it is very possible that hard working low income tenants may not make the court appointment. Obviously, VERY abusive.

    It creates incredible injustice not only to the tenants, but also to us smaller investors. We buy expensive small buildings. But these abusive landlords buy big, rent-regulated buildings CHEAPLY, harass the tenants, pay low taxes, evict as much as then can, and reap the rewards of their bad behavior.

    That's incredibly unfair to someone who buys at a premium and plays fair.

    So there is a disconnect on Each Side and it's a very difficult problem to solve.

  • Kevin McGuirePro Member
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    CTO of BiggerPockets · Seattle, WA · Member since 2019 · 178 posts · 178 votes
    7y

    @Louis W. I thought it was a well balanced podcast. I always enjoy Freakonomics.

    @Darren Sager I'm sympathetic to tenants not wanting to get priced out of their home. As a landlord I respect the power that I have over someone's life. All of my rental properties are in Ottawa, Canada. In Ontario there's regulation which limits the amount I can increase the rent per year, unless I file for an exception. If I miss raising the rent one year I can't make it up, and while the increases each year are supposed to be reflective of increasing costs, they might generally but not specifically. I can however set the rent on an empty unit to whatever I want. Despite all that I continue to invest in Ottawa because that's where I have my team, the cap rate's ok, and I like the market dynamics. Which is to say, you can make a system work, as long as they don't change the rules.

    @Chris Mignone @Sally Fairchild Yes, much of it reminded me of my economics 100 class ages ago when we learned about unions: they work great for those already in the union but those who aren't part of the union will find it difficult to join because the jobs are more scarce due to their higher cost to the employer.

  • Kevin McGuirePro Member
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    CTO of BiggerPockets · Seattle, WA · Member since 2019 · 178 posts · 178 votes
    7y

    @Llewelyn A. Great comments! I hadn't heard of "over-consumption" until this podcast. Always fascinating what happens when you artificially control supply and demand, it leaks out somewhere because people will always find a way to optimize their situation, whether the landlord or the tenant, as you point out. Still, real estate is different in that shelter is a necessity (versus say me selling pies, if I charge too much you can always buy cakes instead), which means that invariably government will be motivated to get involved. I accept that as the reality but then look to ways to devise regulations that are fair to the landlord, who as it's said doesn't get a lot of sympathy.

  • Rental Property Investor · CA · Member since 2018 · 225 posts · 180 votes
    7y

    @Kevin McGuire I’ll take a listen tomorrow - side note Freakonomics impossible burger one has me looking for it in restaurants!

    Cheers!

  • Investor · New York City, NY · Member since 2017 · 65 posts · 32 votes
    7y

    @Llewelyn A. - good post, as you mention NYC is a bit complicated, if your interested in the Airbnb impact, Planet Money did a podcast fairly recently on the impact in New Orleans, while it mostly focused on the operators, they did have some data on the impact to property values as well:

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/planet-money/id290783428?i=1000430784381

    @Bryan S.

    My recommendation is to try the impossible burger at a place that does really good burgers with all your normal toppings... i thought it was a pretty good alternative.

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