Tenant Applicants say the dumbest things

Tenant Applicants say the dumbest things

Real Estate Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2010 · 37 posts · 326 votes

Stupid things Tenant Applicant’s say.

I had renovated a nice 4/3/2 and put it on the market for lease. Here are some of the comments from people who toured the property during the open house or called me from signage.

#1
Young single mother with 3yr old in tow. “My boyfriend will be paying the rent, he said to just go find a place, but I want to rent it in my name, so it will be mine alone.”
I’m thinking: I’m not renting to someone without the verified income to pay the rent. Sorry but a promise from a boyfriend just won’t do.
I’m saying: Here’s a rental application. The application fee is $25 but you should know that I will need to verify income and whoever is paying will need to be on the application and lease.

#2
Middle aged couple with no kids. Wife says “I don’t like the wood floors. If you can put down carpet and repaint to something brighter, we’d be interested. Also you will need to replace the stove.”
I’m thinking: The wood floors are new laminate that I just spent $1400 and two days installing. The paint is all new also. If you want to remodel a house, go buy one yourself.
I’m saying: Here’s a rental application. The application fee is $25. The property is being rented in its newly remodeled condition.

#3
Family. Made appointment and met me at house. Husband says “I need a 3 car garage.”
I’m thinking: The 2 in 4/3/2 stands for TWO car garage. Plus the photos show it’s a two car garage, so why are you here wasting my time and yours? Did you think I was hiding a third garage bay in the back yard?
I’m saying: Here’s a rental application. The application fee is $25. This house only has a two car garage.

#4
Very young guy, young 20’s maybe, called me from sign in yard. He’s parked at house. Says: “ I need a big place for my girlfriend and our 3 month old since we want to have more kids. Could you help me out and rent it to me for $xxx” (about ½ the rental rate).
I’m thinking: So you’re requesting that I contribute half your rent so you can have more kids that you can’t house and support.
I’m saying: I’m happy to provide an application. The application fee is $25. Sorry the rental rate is firm.
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Don KonipolBusiness Member
Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
14y

Last year I was renting a high end high rise condo - rent $1800 per month. A guy asked if I could give him the first 6 months free and waive the security deposit, after he found a job he would make double payments the second 6 months.

Had a tenant a few years back that signed a 12 month lease. always paid her rent on time. The lease of course becomes a month to month if she stays on. I asked her if she desired to renew the lease at expiration, or would she be moving. She said that since she fullfilled her lease obligation by paying 12 months rent she would stay on. She honestly believed that once she paid 12 months rent the apartment was hers for free for as long as she wanted!

But the best one was the tenant that always had an excuse for late rent. One month he told me he had sent the check in on the 2nd, of course I had not received it by the 5th. When I did receive it it was dated the 6th. Called the tenant and told him if he was going to lie at least pre date the check.
The next month I send the tenant an invoice for the rent, late fee, plus $250. The tenant calls and asks what the additional $250 is for. I told him it was a "lying fee". A couple days later I received the rent, late fee, and an additional $500. Called the tenant to ask why he sent an additional $500. He said he knew he would lie to me again in the future so he was prepaying an additional lying fee! BTW, although he is no longer a tenant and hasn't been for some time, he is now a friend. The entertainment value of this guy far outweighted the aggravation.

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  • Nicole A.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Baltimore County Maryland and Tampa Florida · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    Not a story, but I have found it helpful to put a list of preliminary questions at the bottom of my ads that they must answer to get more info/schedule a viewing.

    If they don't answer the questions, I simply don't reply to the email. If the answers to the questions already tell me they won't make the cut, I don't reply. Seems to work for me so far.

  • Real Estate Investor · conyers, GA · Member since 2011 · 9 posts · 5 votes
    12y

    Phone inquiry

    Applicant: "uh, what do your require to qualify for your house"?

    Me: "steady job with verifiable income; positive rental history, satisfactory background/credit check."

    Applicant: "oh, that's too much information."

    Me: "that's pretty much standard."

    Applicant: "not with private owners." click

    There are way too many landlords out there that don't even do the basics

  • Nicole A.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Baltimore County Maryland and Tampa Florida · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    I agree, @L M. 

     Some rental neighborhoods would be so much better if more landlords put in some effort in finding good applicants. I can't believe they allow just anyone in the door without doing a check on them.

    Anyway, I don't have a new "dumb line", but I have noticed lots of people with 3 kids are looking at 2 bedroom apartments. Why? It's too small! You won't stay more than a year because you'll realize it's too small. Your kids will scream and run at all hours bothering neighbors. 

    One guy called and was telling me that it was him, his wife, a child and one on the way; I couldn't help but think, "of course you have one on the way". Maybe I'm terrible.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Nicole A.:

    I agree, @L M. 

     Some rental neighborhoods would be so much better if more landlords put in some effort in finding good applicants. I can't believe they allow just anyone in the door without doing a check on them.

    Anyway, I don't have a new "dumb line", but I have noticed lots of people with 3 kids are looking at 2 bedroom apartments. Why? It's too small! You won't stay more than a year because you'll realize it's too small. Your kids will scream and run at all hours bothering neighbors. 

    One guy called and was telling me that it was him, his wife, a child and one on the way; I couldn't help but think, "of course you have one on the way". Maybe I'm terrible.

  • Investor · Middletown, NJ · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Don't depend on seeing what a house looks like on Google; often the date of the image is several years old.

  • Real Estate Investor · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2014 · 7 posts · 17 votes
    12y

    I once had an applicant ask me if it would be a problem that his taxes show he has no income.  Apparently, he earns his living playing poker and tells Uncle Sam he makes no money.  But it's okay, because if his gambling winnings aren't sufficient to pay the rent his family will give him money.  I told him the lack of verifiable income was an issue, but a bigger issue was my hesitance to enter into a business relationship with someone who introduces himself by admitting to felony tax evasion.

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Will Uter:

    I once had an applicant ask me if it would be a problem that his taxes show he has no income.  Apparently, he earns his living playing poker and tells Uncle Sam he makes no money.  But it's okay, because if his gambling winnings aren't sufficient to pay the rent his family will give him money.  I told him the lack of verifiable income was an issue, but a bigger issue was my hesitance to enter into a business relationship with someone who introduces himself by admitting to felony tax evasion.

     I'd take this guy in a heartbeat...just make him sign an affidavit explaining why he has no verifiable income.  Then, if he ever causes any issues, remind him that you have a written admission of tax evasion that you're prepared to forward to the IRS...  :-)

  • Real Estate Investor · Cambridge, MA · Member since 2014 · 52 posts · 15 votes
    12y

    If you can get him to do that (which you can't), you'll profit more from the IRS whistleblower program anyway: http://www.irs.gov/uac/Whistleblower-Informant-Award (up to 30% of the tax owed [and collected])

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y

    And if you know he has not paid taxes, and you fail to report him, then you are just as guilty.


    Joe Gore

  • Investor · Middletown, NJ · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    My father did this many years ago when he was selling a duplex with a difficult tenant. All he did was tell the tenant what he was going to do, and the tenant disappeared in the middle of the night.

  • Realtor · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2014 · 61 posts · 12 votes
    12y

    Had some nice laughs, lol some tenants don't understand like them landlords have bills to pay also and they can't give all the lame excuses. Lol 

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    And if you know he has not paid taxes, and you fail to report him, then you are just as guilty.

    Just as guilty?  I didn't realize that failing to report someone else evading taxes carries the same penalties as tax evasion!  

    That doesn't seem right to me...are you sure about that?

  • Investor · Vancouver, WA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y

    At this point, nothing to fear by not reporting this one, the guy stating he has unreported gambling income is hearsay. I took at look at the IRS link that @Jim Sokoloff provided. Interesting. Here is an excerpt from that site.

    "Who can get an award?

    The IRS may pay awards to people who provide specific and credible information to the IRS if the information results in the collection of taxes, penalties, interest or other amounts from the noncompliant taxpayer.

    The IRS is looking for solid information, not an “educated guess” or unsupported speculation. We are also looking for a significant Federal tax issue - this is not a program for resolving personal problems or disputes about a business relationship."

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @J Scott:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    And if you know he has not paid taxes, and you fail to report him, then you are just as guilty.

    Just as guilty?  I didn't realize that failing to report someone else evading taxes carries the same penalties as tax evasion!  

    That doesn't seem right to me...are you sure about that?

     "oh,  Mr tax man...  I sent the letter explaining his wrong doings...  you never got it?  that's strange.  you should follow up with the usps...  another government agency". 

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    12y

    I think the strangest story I have is a lady who called confused about the front door,

    Lady"In the picture of the front of the house, the front door is in the middle of the house, but an inside picture shows the front door by a wall."

    Me"That's because the inside of the house is split into separate rooms with walls."

    Rinse and repeat 5x. Then I get a little impatient, tell the woman to have a nice day and I get off the phone. Later I find my ad on Craigslist has been ghosted, since she was insistent it must be a scam based on the front door being next to a wall inside the house, she said when we were on the phone that I must have been using pictures from two different houses.

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    Someone texts our ad listing number and we start texting. She can't make the next rental open house because her huband will be working, and she wants me to show the property some other time. I say I need to ask some prequalification questions (income, credit, #occupants, pets), which launches her into a rant about credit scores,

    Applicant"With all these questions I can tell u are looking for perfect credit which we don't have, that is just a number it doesn't define a person..."

    Me "Asking about credit is not asking for perfect credit."

    Her "Our credit scores are honestly low and we are walking away from are current home because we can no longer afford..."

    Me "I'm sorry, but I can't make a special trip out to show the home to people who don't meet my prequalification questions; it appears you won't qualify due to credit. If it doesn't rent out this week there will be another open house sometime next weekend."

    Her "Like I said a number does not define a whole person. I am very sorry you are so prejudice against families would fell on hard times and are trying to get there lives back..."

    Me "This is a rental business. We have written criteria. If someone doesn't meet the criteria, we cannot rent to them. If someone doesn't meet the prequalification, I cannot make a special trip out to show them the house.”

    Her " Again a number(credit score) does not and will NEVER define a person. A number of 700 to720 renting our home instead of a really honest hard working PERSON is beyond me.Good Luck finding that perfect credit score to rent this house.Why would you want a number is beyond me. Good Luck".

    I never had a chance to say what our score was and it’s not 700! But at that point I didn't respond. Then 24 hrs later,

    "I don't know if you are the person I was texting with last night but I showed these messages to my attorney and he said these remarks are slanderous, assaulting, discriminatory and none of what you said to me in text was representative of what was in the listing of this rental property. You MAY be hearing from my attorney this week regarding your actions."

    Didn't respond, didn’t hear from an atty. I was able to google the number she was posting from and in two clicks find her Facebook page. About a week later the woman does attend a rental open house, without her husband incidentally. She doesn't identify herself as texting with anyone but after talking to her for a bit I recognize her, by the time I do, she fortunately didn't want to apply anyway because the application fee of $25/person would run them $100 for the 4 adults they have and that they,”Can’t keep applying places and paying application fees”.

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    Got someone who was interested in renting through a realtor. Realtor said they wanted rent lowered $100/mo, for us to take care of cutting the grass, for us to reduce the security deposit.

    We said no.

    Several days later I am asked if their application is approved. I’m like, what are you talking about, I never got a paid for application and never got a response that they were even still interested after we denied their requests.

    Realtor shares a dropbox with me with tons of documents in it and claims her applicants are preapproved to buy a 300k house (interestingly that doc is NOT in the dropbox) so they can afford it. I tell her based on what they put down as their income on the application they cannot afford to rent our rental (we require 3x and they were below), and I have never seen people underreport what they actually make.

    She claims one of the two adults can afford the rent on her own based on the paystubs in the dropbox. The paystubs show that the applicant is not salaried like claimed on the application, but a substitute teacher who clearly gets paid by the actual days worked and I inform the agent of such, and because she get variable pay I will need a W2 for her.

    Then she claims the other adult makes enough income on his own and his W2 is in the dropbox. The W2 shows 9k of income for the entire preceding year.

    I tell the agent that at this point I will not be doing any more free forensic accounting and that I need application fees and proof of income.Then she asks if I can get the application processed by the next day. I reply again with what I need. She continues to try to bully me into accepting the docs she has provided which include a years worth of rent payment cancelled checks for rent that is about half what our property’s rent is. I restate what we need. A few days later she asks me if the app has been processed (I still never got the addl info or app fees). I restate what we need. Then she says that my actions have a discriminatory connotation and that she has advised her clients to not provide any additional documentation and that they are no longer interested.

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    In most cities we rent in there are rental inspections and the city determines the occupancy. An applicant got really upset; kept insisting his 2 yr old shouldn't count, I'm like,"A child is a person and therefore counts towards the occupancy." He just gets more irate, I tell him I didn't make up the rule and that he is welcome to get in touch with the city to discuss the rental program and occupancy requirements. Rinse and repeat that conversation a few more times as he gets more irate, saying the city can’t do that, it’s illegal, etc. I just tell him he is welcome to discuss it with the city, I tell him what department to ask for, etc. Finally a new group of potential applicants walk in to our open house and I attend to them.

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    Talking to a couple who right off the bat said they have no pets. Then they ask,"What rules do you have" and clearly seem upset that landlords even have rules and they want to know what they all are. In hindsight I should have asked,”Well, what types of things are you concerned about” but we mention if we find a pet you didn't say you have then XYZ happens, then they tell us they have a caged bird. Then they ask why we don’t allow a bird. I think,”Because birds smell” but that sounds rude and would then only get a, ”My bird doesn’t smell” response. My husband says it’s because people don’t keep them cages and they poop all over and peck and destroy the property. Seems like there is a lot of confusion out there on what a pet is. I think going forward we will ask,"Do you have any non-human animals living with you like a fish, bird, cat, dog, pony, hamster, snake, monkey...do you pet sit, pet foster, run an animal hospital, pet sanctuary…"

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    Always amazed at the people who ask if we will be upgrading things or if we can for them, and they often turn out to be the people who have no prayer of qualifying. “I noticed that the windows on the front of the house are new, will you be replacing the ones on the back of the house?”Me ”They currently work and are not drafty, so no.”Just the other day a family comes in and the first thing they ask is if they can replace a dining room light fixture, the son says,”My dad likes fancy things.” They can’t qualify due to income and credit. Last year had a lady who wanted us to change out a bunch of carpet and paint before she moved in, she had a rap sheet of crimes going back 20 yrs…

  • Real Estate Investor · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2014 · 7 posts · 17 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @J Scott:

     I'd take this guy in a heartbeat...just make him sign an affidavit explaining why he has no verifiable income.  Then, if he ever causes any issues, remind him that you have a written admission of tax evasion that you're prepared to forward to the IRS...  :-)

     Though your books are excellent, I'm a little skeptical about your tenant selection advice ;)

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Will Uter:
    Originally posted by @J Scott:

     I'd take this guy in a heartbeat...just make him sign an affidavit explaining why he has no verifiable income.  Then, if he ever causes any issues, remind him that you have a written admission of tax evasion that you're prepared to forward to the IRS...  :-)

     Though your books are excellent, I'm a little skeptical about your tenant selection advice ;)

     This is likely why I'm really not fond of being a landlord...  :)

  • Dawn AnastasiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y

    I had a family come and apply for a rental.  The income requirement was a minimum of $3300/month.  They fell short of this and I let them know.  I get a call a few days later and they "found" more income.

  • Jon HuberPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Boca Raton, FL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 713 votes
    12y

    This. Is. Amazing.

    Funniest post I have read on BP

  • Investor · Middletown, NJ · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Please ask them how they did that, I'd like to find more income too ;)

  • Investor · Fort Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 465 votes
    12y

    Entirely possible.

    They have an offshore account in Nigeria with a 10 million USD deposit and earning 5% interests that they have forgotten about.

  • Roy N.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Sam Leon:

    Entirely possible.

    They have an offshore account in Nigeria with a 10 million USD deposit and earning 5% interests that they have forgotten about.

    and they really want to bring the funds to the U.S.A.   If you could help them out by giving them access to one of your bank accounts, with at least $5K in it, they will be able to transfer the monies in a week or two.

  • Investor · Middletown, NJ · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    We recently got an application for our rental condo in FL. The tenant was caught in several lies (rental history, wrong SS#, marital status, previous state of residence), including an explanation about a charge of "theft by unlawful taking" that showed up on her background check with no disposition. She denied it at first, then admitted there was an incident at a job several years ago, but that she didn't steal anything. 

    She then asked, "How would this have a bearing on my ability to pay rent?"

    Well, I guess if she was open to possibly stealing money to pay the rent, I guess none. But we decided to pass.

  • Investor · Howey in the Hills, FL · Member since 2013 · 376 posts · 114 votes
    12y

    The calls I hate the most are the ones asking where the property is located. I post the full property address on the ad for a reason. If you can use Craigslist, you can use Google Maps! 

    I'm in Central Florida, and I sometimes get calls asking if the house is near Jacksonville or Tampa. The stupidity amazes me. 

  • Investor · Middletown, NJ · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    I've gotten that question too @Matthew B. ! We have a couple of rentals in Trenton, NJ and have often gotten calls from people in NY. They have no clue at all where Trenton is, but called because they saw a 4BR/2BA house for $975. 

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