How to combat the growing hatred for Landlords?
Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
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How to combat the growing hatred for Landlords?
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Real Estate Broker · Northeast PA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
5yFood, clothing, and shelter are human NEEDS. They are not human rights.
We still live in a capitalist system (at least for the moment) and in that system people that provide a service are rewarded. The greater the service, the greater the reward.
If they provide poor service, the market will reward them by going somewhere else for the service. Back before big government programs, poor folks in need could get help from family, friends, or the church (or wherever they worship). When the government set up a social 'safety net', people started taking it for granted, and it became a way of life for many. Now many feel that it is their right to have shelter given to them for free.
I guess it's just too difficult for some folks to understand. If someone works hard to provide a service to the public when they make a profit some see that as obscene, immoral, and just wrong.
Landlords have been looked down upon with a stigma since the first Neanderthal rented out a cave that he dug out with his own hands and club.
We can only help the poor when we earn a profit and have something left over to give to a worthy charity of our choice. That does not necessarily include tenants that cannot or will not pay their rent.
That being said, treat everyone equally and with respect. Do not judge them, even if they judge you. Hold your head up and keep moving forward.
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- Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 893 votes5y
@Nathan Gesner I try to take all of the effort that many put in trying to convince the cancel culture to stop hating your cause, and pour it into providing valuable information and guidance to a broader audience that needs the unique experiences that we've managed to gather.
I've got a rather large TikTok following and I'll say this- People take small sentiments and amplify them 100x when they can operate from behind a phone with anonymity and no attachment to a real person. So I dilute those statements back down, ignore them, and stay the course.
- Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes5y
Originally posted by @Carl Mathis:
There really needs to be a way to report an entire thread, the inappropriate, naive, and downright shameful in this thread is horrifying. Could the mods just delete this? The fundamental reasoning errors (logical fallacies) are out of control. I mean seriously you guys.
I read every post , i believe you are incorrect
- Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes5y
Haters gonna hate yo.
- Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2020 · 50 posts · 31 votes5y
I think it's related to the increasing housing crisis that's going on in this country. When people face the reality that they may never own a house and have to put up with high rent, etc, they become resentful of those who are able to afford property.
- Rental Property Investor · St Augustine, FL · Member since 2019 · 264 posts · 279 votes5y
@Nathan G.I been call heartless by tenants because I serve them
Eviction notice. I just say hey I'm not you parents or your family, if they love you go live with them. I have never served an eviction notice until the third month of no pay, an I always try to work something out before the eviction but it seems the car payment is more important than the rent payment. When I was much younger I worker full time , went to school at night coached my sons soccer team and was in the military reserves So I am heartless when someone uses every excuse in the book not to pay their rent.
- Realtor · southern Idaho · Member since 2020 · 81 posts · 50 votes5y
@Nathan G.
🚫🚫🚫 NO MORE USE OF LANDLORD 🚫🚫🚫
If you own a property, tent, cabin, home, or apartment, YOU ARE A HOUSING PROVIDER.
You take investment risks to provide housing for people.
- Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes5y
Facts and logic don't fix problems of the human condition....it's about psychology, not real estate. I learned that one the hard way...still learning.
- Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes5y
@Nathan GesnerIn Portland Oregon it is a very serious problem. Quite a few are keeping places vacant because of the risk of property damage, myself included. I am friendly with the few tenants we have left. The last few have been bad news.
Talking with a property manager today and she agrees today's tenants are much different.
- Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes5y
These kinds of anti-landlord are using Marxist ideology when the communist country is even more capitalistic than the capitalist country. They think the property owner is like a king in the feudal era. ... I think those commies are just stress as there's nowhere to go. These days the world is giving more advantage to those who have a good education, have a good investment, and no debts.
- Rental Property Investor · Brooke Park Drive · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes5y
Get rich or die tryin. What some lefty kids think doesn’t affect my mission.
- Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes5y
Originally posted by @Carl Mathis:
There really needs to be a way to report an entire thread, the inappropriate, naive, and downright shameful in this thread is horrifying. Could the mods just delete this? The fundamental reasoning errors (logical fallacies) are out of control. I mean seriously you guys.
Do you own this forum? You an just hit the back button, the rest of us successful people really want to see how we can protect ourselves from entitlement mentality.
What you're asking is basically the equivalent of cancelling a landlord because you don't like the rental or the landlord. SO leave and go rent somewhere else...
Same concept applies here, if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to read it....
- Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes5y
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Get rich or die tryin. What some lefty kids think doesn’t affect my mission.
With the growing cancel entitlement, and the demand to "cancel rent" I'd be worried. I really think these people have the IQ of a wild animal, to think landlords are going to buy 500K+ houses and pay the expenses for them so they can live for free. Complete and utter idiocy...
More than 40% of landlords in Seattle in 2018 sold or were selling their rentals when UW did a study, as a result of more socialist policies that stripped landlords of the right to screen, raise rent or evict bad tenants. I'm sure it's even worse now with moratoriums. I am selling my properties and moving the money to Florida. Guess that happens as more and more landlords escape this ridiculous socialist ideology: there will be less supply, demand will increase or stay the same and rental prices will skyrocket, having the exact opposite effect of these politicians best wishes...creating more homelessness.
- 5yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Maybe because people are starting to understand that there really is something fundamentally immoral and wrong with a system that allows a small group of people who either have tons of extra money or are able to get approved for multiple mortgages to hoard extra property then charge people for a basic human necessity, sticking them in a position of essentially modern peasant who will then almost certainly never be able to save up enough to buy their own home and build equity and enjoy the stability homeownership brings s it stands now, millions of people are stuck in a cycle of paying someone else’s bills and never getting to enjoy any of the benefits of owning a home. Banks make the requirements for a home loan so stringent at times that many people can’t get approved but they are paying more in rent than they would be with a mortgage. All to pay for someone else to have extra homes they don’t need. Or worse. To literally just make the owner even richer for the ones who are. Shelter is a basic human need. It should be an investment for someone to not have to work.
when people are seeing apartment complexes sending cruel and tone deaf eviction notices and not repairing issues during a global pandemic and young kids in their 20s whose rich parents give them money all the time buying apartment building and rental houses to kick the people out and raise the rents, while evicting people who are a day late and being entitled little d bags about it then yeah. Normal polite Society generally is going to have some issues with that.Google Naca they help many get into homes.. keep in mind many renters simply would never want to own a home.. they dont want the responsibility.. not to mention in a lot of rust belt mid west markets were there is no real appreciation home ownership is not something to really strive for renting is a better financial option.
- 5yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Originally posted by @Mike Dymski:
Facts and logic don't fix problems of the human condition....it's about psychology, not real estate. I learned that one the hard way...still learning.s..
just look at our cities on the west coast.. Human condition.. then we have rent control which has caused rents to increase.. whats the answer .. I have no clue but I agree its human conditions
- 5yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Originally posted by @Jack B.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Get rich or die tryin. What some lefty kids think doesn’t affect my mission.
With the growing cancel entitlement, and the demand to "cancel rent" I'd be worried. I really think these people have the IQ of a wild animal, to think landlords are going to buy 500K+ houses and pay the expenses for them so they can live for free. Complete and utter idiocy...
I really wish the politicians had an education in actual business and economics, and I'm not talking about the Bartender turned politician with an economics degree, that lady can't do basic math on her phone, let alone calculate 25 step micro economic equations.
More than 40% of landlords in Seattle in 2018 sold or were selling their rentals when UW did a study, as a result of more socialist policies that stripped landlords of the right to screen, raise rent or evict bad tenants. I'm sure it's even worse now with moratoriums. I am selling my properties and moving the money to Florida. Guess that happens as more and more landlords escape this ridiculous socialist ideology: there will be less supply, demand will increase or stay the same and rental prices will skyrocket, having the exact opposite effect of these politicians best wishes...creating more homelessness.
Jack, why sell if rents are going to sky rocket .. and move to areas of the country were rents remain stable IE don't raise much and the renter class is already totally entrenched IE 50% of the population or more rents compared to west coast were that number is quite albeit less. ??? Maybe the political winds will favor the landlord that enjoys the sky rocketing rents ( if thats what happens)
Along with you have many of us in the RE business that came from humble beginnings. I personally never ate government cheese but until my Dad found real estate in the middle to late 60s our life was one of any number of the renter class.. And my daughter was the first in our family to graduate Collage and that has landed her an executive position at Intel and total financial security before she was 40 with ZERO help from dear ole dad. !!!
- Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes5y
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Jack B.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Get rich or die tryin. What some lefty kids think doesn’t affect my mission.
With the growing cancel entitlement, and the demand to "cancel rent" I'd be worried. I really think these people have the IQ of a wild animal, to think landlords are going to buy 500K+ houses and pay the expenses for them so they can live for free. Complete and utter idiocy...
I really wish the politicians had an education in actual business and economics, and I'm not talking about the Bartender turned politician with an economics degree, that lady can't do basic math on her phone, let alone calculate 25 step micro economic equations.
More than 40% of landlords in Seattle in 2018 sold or were selling their rentals when UW did a study, as a result of more socialist policies that stripped landlords of the right to screen, raise rent or evict bad tenants. I'm sure it's even worse now with moratoriums. I am selling my properties and moving the money to Florida. Guess that happens as more and more landlords escape this ridiculous socialist ideology: there will be less supply, demand will increase or stay the same and rental prices will skyrocket, having the exact opposite effect of these politicians best wishes...creating more homelessness.
Jack, why sell if rents are going to sky rocket .. and move to areas of the country were rents remain stable IE don't raise much and the renter class is already totally entrenched IE 50% of the population or more rents compared to west coast were that number is quite albeit less. ??? Maybe the political winds will favor the landlord that enjoys the sky rocketing rents ( if thats what happens)
Along with you have many of us in the RE business that came from humble beginnings. I personally never ate government cheese but until my Dad found real estate in the middle to late 60s our life was one of any number of the renter class.. And my daughter was the first in our family to graduate Collage and that has landed her an executive position at Intel and total financial security before she was 40 with ZERO help from dear ole dad. !!!
1) Eviction moratoriums, even people who are still working and unaffected by COVID are not required to pay rent due to our idiot Governor. So skyrocketing rents don't help when they don't pay.
2) Our legislature is trying to make evictions illegal....they are looking for a way to exit the moratorium without anyone being responsible for back rent or losing "their" free home paid for by the new breed of government freebie: forced free housing at the landlords expense. They want to make evictions a crime now...absolute idiocy.
3) I don't make my money off rents, most of my properties appreciate 50-100K a year each depending on the year. This is not a cash flow market, you know that, although I do cash flow well, that's peanuts compared to the appreciation that I keep 1031 exchanging into more rentals. I just went under contract for two new ones in fact, one of which is another lake front property but in Florida this time... :-)
- Investor · Singapore · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes5y
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Maybe because people are starting to understand that there really is something fundamentally immoral and wrong with a system that allows a small group of people who either have tons of extra money or are able to get approved for multiple mortgages to hoard extra property then charge people for a basic human necessity, sticking them in a position of essentially modern peasant who will then almost certainly never be able to save up enough to buy their own home and build equity and enjoy the stability homeownership brings s it stands now, millions of people are stuck in a cycle of paying someone else’s bills and never getting to enjoy any of the benefits of owning a home. Banks make the requirements for a home loan so stringent at times that many people can’t get approved but they are paying more in rent than they would be with a mortgage. All to pay for someone else to have extra homes they don’t need. Or worse. To literally just make the owner even richer for the ones who are. Shelter is a basic human need. It should be an investment for someone to not have to work.
when people are seeing apartment complexes sending cruel and tone deaf eviction notices and not repairing issues during a global pandemic and young kids in their 20s whose rich parents give them money all the time buying apartment building and rental houses to kick the people out and raise the rents, while evicting people who are a day late and being entitled little d bags about it then yeah. Normal polite Society generally is going to have some issues with that.Umm, can you please explain how landlords can easily get multiple mortgages at the same time banks are making requirements for a home loan so stringent nobody can buy one? Both at the same time?
- Investor · Singapore · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes5y
Originally posted by @Greg Powers:
@Nathan G.
My kids, who are in their 20s and very progressive, almost fell over backwards with shock and shame when I told them I was planning to become a landlord. I said, “Well, consider a world without landlords. You’d either be living at home forever or under a bridge.” I suspect they would choose the bridge. :)
My daughter has the same sentiments. I told her in that case I can feel free to change my trust to move all the real estate assets to charity after I die. :-)
But to be fair, you should be idealistic in your 20s. Its where you develop a heart and conscience that then slowly gets eroded by age and cynicism.
- Investor · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2019 · 433 posts · 743 votes5y
@Eric Weldon-Schilling if you don’t mind me offering, I’d really encourage you to do some more research on the forums on the sole topic of where a lot of us came from to get to where we are.
There are already a few people on this thread that have discussed growing up on government aid, but they were smart and dedicated to break out of poverty. I’ve talked with dozens of people on these threads who started in tough situations and broke out. Heck, yesterday I was talking to a kid who is 17 y/o buying his first rental.
This is the land of opportunity, but we’re allowing ourselves to become weak by relying on the government to solve our problems. Be you’re own problem solver and don’t rely on anyone (the government, republican, democrat, your job, your family, your friends, etc) to help you out. It’s your life, take control and ownership of it.
There’s more upward class mobility in America than anywhere else in the world, you just have to study and capitalize on the opportunity available. Maybe that’s why it’s called capitalism.
- Investor · Gainesville, VA · Member since 2019 · 15 posts · 24 votes5y
@Nathan G. I’m reading a lot of this forum post but most everyone only touches what you asked and then goes on a rant. I am totally with everyone here on these rants but it still doesn’t truly answer your question. I have seen some really good tidbits of changing it from landlord to affordable housing provider. Also, make sure you fill the property with a good tenant.
There are more things you can do though. One thing I do is I give each tenant a move in gift. Usually coffee and a couple stainless steel tumblers that I have engraved with their names on them. But I also send holiday gifts each year. In these little gifts I give a hand written note asking how they are doing and letting them know that I am human too - that I’m not just an entity taking money.
Yes shelter is a basic human necessity and you are providing that, but so is communication and love which comes out of having the fundamental necessities of food, water, and shelter. By being human, you tear down the wall of this stigma. Sadly, people are still going to hate ‘landlords’ but you can’t make everyone happy and you have to be ok with that.
I was a cop for a while and I wanted to change peoples perception of them so I actually became one. I had a game with myself that every individual I would come in contact with I would have to get them to smile - no matter if it was someone asking for directions, a domestic violence call, a speeder getting a ticket (which I didn’t usually write) or a murderer. It eventually turn into an educational thing especially with this ‘ACAB and F12 BS. I began making my mission that every person I would arrest or put in handcuffs would genuinely smile at some point and by the time everything was over that they would say ‘thank you’. I would talk people through everything that was happening and educate them on exactly the steps that were going to take place and why they were going to take place. Let me tell you, it worked - and some of those people remembered me, why? Because I treated them like humans and that I was just like them. Some of them actually came out of their houses and would come talk to me in areas that don’t particularly like cops. One ondividual actually saved my life when a couple weeks before, he would have just as easily have tried to be the other person.
Just some food for thought. You can’t change everyone, but you can change how you are perceived to every one that you come in contact with.
- Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes5y
Originally posted by @Glenn Hastings:
@Nathan G. I’m reading a lot of this forum post but most everyone only touches what you asked and then goes on a rant. I am totally with everyone here on these rants but it still doesn’t truly answer your question. I have seen some really good tidbits of changing it from landlord to affordable housing provider. Also, make sure you fill the property with a good tenant.
There are more things you can do though. One thing I do is I give each tenant a move in gift. Usually coffee and a couple stainless steel tumblers that I have engraved with their names on them. I actually have a business that does just this thing and more called Valiant Vault. But I also send holiday gifts each year. In these little gifts I give a hand written note asking how they are doing and letting them know that I am human too - that I’m not just an entity taking money.
Yes shelter is a basic human necessity and you are providing that, but so is communication and love which comes out of having the fundamental necessities of food, water, and shelter. By being human, you tear down the wall of this stigma. Sadly, people are still going to hate ‘landlords’ but you can’t make everyone happy and you have to be ok with that.
I was a cop for a while and I wanted to change peoples perception of them so I actually became one. I had a game with myself that every individual I would come in contact with I would have to get them to smile - no matter if it was someone asking for directions, a domestic violence call, a speeder getting a ticket (which I didn’t usually write) or a murderer. It eventually turn into an educational thing especially with this ‘ACAB and F12 BS. I began making my mission that every person I would arrest or put in handcuffs would genuinely smile at some point and by the time everything was over that they would say ‘thank you’. I would talk people through everything that was happening and educate them on exactly the steps that were going to take place and why they were going to take place. Let me tell you, it worked - and some of those people remembered me, why? Because I treated them like humans and that I was just like them. Some of them actually came out of their houses and would come talk to me in areas that don’t particularly like cops. One ondividual actually saved my life when a couple weeks before, he would have just as easily have tried to be the other person.
Just some food for thought. You can’t change everyone, but you can change how you are perceived to every one that you come in contact with.
Glenn, I think this is excellent advice!
One thing with forums (even in this discussion amongst Landlords) it's easy to get offended or turn a minor disagreement into a major blowup because we're not looking each other in the eye and interacting as humans. Aggression around the country would drop dramatically if the internet went away tomorrow.
My operation is a business and I run it like one. I have policies and procedures in place to make it easier for my staff and the Tenant. Everyone knows what it takes to add a roommate, terminate a lease early, or pay rent late. It's the same stuff that protects my properties better than any insurance policy will: obey the law, be honest, treat people fairly, maintain the property. At the same time, I have to remember these are people with their own difficulties. Some just want to bend my ear and know their frustrations have been heard. Some are falling on hard times outside of their control and need help, so I point them to as many resources as possible and make every effort to assist them. Some require a complete deviation from policy.
I appreciate the example and advice. Thanks for sharing!
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