Top/Bottom Unit - Best Strategies to Address NOISE!

Top/Bottom Unit - Best Strategies to Address NOISE!

Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2021 · 13 posts · 7 votes

Hello BP Friends! 

Last summer my fiancée and I bought a house outside of Denver where we live up top (currently) and rent out our basement on Airbnb. The basement is a completely separate unit blocked off by doors we had installed. It was built in 1960 and tends to creak and moan as old houses do. With basement guests, we can hear some muffled noise - nothing crazy, but some! And, when we're downstairs, you can hear footsteps and creaking from up top.

In the near future we plan to move out into a new home, and rent this current house as 2 units (top & Bottom). Initially, we thought we would Airbnb both the top and bottom, but some other friends who Airbnb both units have had negative reviews about the noise, mostly caused by the top guests, affecting the bottom guests stay. There are 3 Bedrooms Upstairs and 2 Bedrooms Downstairs. All that being said, the strategies we're considering are: 

1) Airbnb-ing both units, but limiting upstairs occupancy to two guests (still allow 4 downstairs).

Pro: Still optimizing revenue with STR, noise mitigated by limiting upstairs guests

Con: Miss out on opportunity for up to 6 guests in 3BR upstairs.

2) Long-term rental upstairs, STR in basement. Offer LTR Tenant a below-market rental rate, under certain agreements to limit upstairs noise since we will still be running an Airbnb business downstairs. 

Pro: Fixed income from top unit, respectful upstairs tenants

Con: How to find a Long term tenant who would agree to this kind of agreement?

3) STR entire home as ONE unit. 

Pro: Allow for up to 10 guests, high revenue potential

Con: One unit revenue > two units revenue, higher likelihood of parties/damage/issues

Sorry for the long post - I would really appreciate some insight from STR hosts with top/bottom units as to the best way to go about maxing revenues and avoiding bad reviews from the noise! Thank you all!

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Chris MuryBusiness Member
Realtor · St. Augustine, FL · Member since 2017 · 182 posts · 100 votes
4y
Quote from @Reid Sealby:

Hello BP Friends! 

Last summer my fiancée and I bought a house outside of Denver where we live up top (currently) and rent out our basement on Airbnb. The basement is a completely separate unit blocked off by doors we had installed. It was built in 1960 and tends to creak and moan as old houses do. With basement guests, we can hear some muffled noise - nothing crazy, but some! And, when we're downstairs, you can hear footsteps and creaking from up top.

In the near future we plan to move out into a new home, and rent this current house as 2 units (top & Bottom). Initially, we thought we would Airbnb both the top and bottom, but some other friends who Airbnb both units have had negative reviews about the noise, mostly caused by the top guests, affecting the bottom guests stay. There are 3 Bedrooms Upstairs and 2 Bedrooms Downstairs. All that being said, the strategies we're considering are: 

1) Airbnb-ing both units, but limiting upstairs occupancy to two guests (still allow 4 downstairs).

Pro: Still optimizing revenue with STR, noise mitigated by limiting upstairs guests

Con: Miss out on opportunity for up to 6 guests in 3BR upstairs.

2) Long-term rental upstairs, STR in basement. Offer LTR Tenant a below-market rental rate, under certain agreements to limit upstairs noise since we will still be running an Airbnb business downstairs. 

Pro: Fixed income from top unit, respectful upstairs tenants

Con: How to find a Long term tenant who would agree to this kind of agreement?

3) STR entire home as ONE unit. 

Pro: Allow for up to 10 guests, high revenue potential

Con: One unit revenue > two units revenue, higher likelihood of parties/damage/issues

Sorry for the long post - I would really appreciate some insight from STR hosts with top/bottom units as to the best way to go about maxing revenues and avoiding bad reviews from the noise! Thank you all!


What about LTR in the basement and STR upstairs? Disclose your plans to your LTR tenant and offer discounted rent for the noise potential. Still move ahead with some of the sound-proofing measures discussed above. Sounds like the upstairs is bigger and has more income potential.

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  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    4y

    Hey @Reid Sealby, there are some things you can do. You can reinforce the floors. Use some screws to tighten down the subfloor.

    In the downstairs unit, you could apply Green Glue and add a second layer of drywall. That should dampen down the sound quite a bit.

    https://www.greengluecompany.c...

    https://soundproofguide.com/ho...

    I am building a home theater at our primary residence and I will be using Green Glue on the ceiling drywall with double sheets and Roxul in the studs.

  • Chris MuryBusiness Member
    Realtor · St. Augustine, FL · Member since 2017 · 182 posts · 100 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Michael Baum:

    Hey @Reid Sealby, there are some things you can do. You can reinforce the floors. Use some screws to tighten down the subfloor.

    In the downstairs unit, you could apply Green Glue and add a second layer of drywall. That should dampen down the sound quite a bit.

    https://www.greengluecompany.c...

    https://soundproofguide.com/ho...

    I am building a home theater at our primary residence and I will be using Green Glue on the ceiling drywall with double sheets and Roxul in the studs.


     I'll second Green Glue. Just did that in a downstairs unit we rehabbed and it did make a difference.

    Chris Mury- Realtor543 Reviews
  • Chris MuryBusiness Member
    Realtor · St. Augustine, FL · Member since 2017 · 182 posts · 100 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Reid Sealby:

    Hello BP Friends! 

    Last summer my fiancée and I bought a house outside of Denver where we live up top (currently) and rent out our basement on Airbnb. The basement is a completely separate unit blocked off by doors we had installed. It was built in 1960 and tends to creak and moan as old houses do. With basement guests, we can hear some muffled noise - nothing crazy, but some! And, when we're downstairs, you can hear footsteps and creaking from up top.

    In the near future we plan to move out into a new home, and rent this current house as 2 units (top & Bottom). Initially, we thought we would Airbnb both the top and bottom, but some other friends who Airbnb both units have had negative reviews about the noise, mostly caused by the top guests, affecting the bottom guests stay. There are 3 Bedrooms Upstairs and 2 Bedrooms Downstairs. All that being said, the strategies we're considering are: 

    1) Airbnb-ing both units, but limiting upstairs occupancy to two guests (still allow 4 downstairs).

    Pro: Still optimizing revenue with STR, noise mitigated by limiting upstairs guests

    Con: Miss out on opportunity for up to 6 guests in 3BR upstairs.

    2) Long-term rental upstairs, STR in basement. Offer LTR Tenant a below-market rental rate, under certain agreements to limit upstairs noise since we will still be running an Airbnb business downstairs. 

    Pro: Fixed income from top unit, respectful upstairs tenants

    Con: How to find a Long term tenant who would agree to this kind of agreement?

    3) STR entire home as ONE unit. 

    Pro: Allow for up to 10 guests, high revenue potential

    Con: One unit revenue > two units revenue, higher likelihood of parties/damage/issues

    Sorry for the long post - I would really appreciate some insight from STR hosts with top/bottom units as to the best way to go about maxing revenues and avoiding bad reviews from the noise! Thank you all!


    What about LTR in the basement and STR upstairs? Disclose your plans to your LTR tenant and offer discounted rent for the noise potential. Still move ahead with some of the sound-proofing measures discussed above. Sounds like the upstairs is bigger and has more income potential.

    Chris Mury- Realtor543 Reviews
  • House Hacking Specialist · Denver, CO · Member since 2016 · 411 posts · 396 votes
    4y

    Hello @Reid Sealby, Sounds like an excellent setup! What county is your home located in? One thing to keep in mind for plans after you move out, if this is in Denver County, you can not rent a home out for less than 30 days unless it is your primary residence. 

    My recommendation after moving out is to move all of your furnishings to the top unit. Rent the top unit out on airbnb with a minimum stay of 30 days. Now it is considered a medium-term rental. Another bonus to moving Airbnb to top unit is that you do not have to worry about bad reviews from noise.  

    As for the basement, rent that out as 12 month unfurnished rental. I do something similar with a house I have in Arvada.

    Best of Luck!
     

  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2021 · 13 posts · 7 votes
    4y

    @Ben Einspahr, That is awesome advice. We're fortunate to live in Arvada too, so Jeff Co. for our STR. The only road block from renting out our basement to a longer term tenant is that we don't have a full kitchen down there.

  • Rental Property Investor · Escondido, CA · Member since 2017 · 679 posts · 550 votes
    4y

    @Reid Sealby Besides the Green Glue I also had good results with the noise-canceling foam material that is recommended for sound studios. I created a little video studio in my house and it really helped a lot. I imagine you could do that in your basement ceilings.

    There are also "white noise generators" you might want to consider.

    On forward strategy, I would also suggest LTR downstairs and STR upstairs

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