Thoughts on the increased minimum stay for Short-term rentals?

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Real Estate Broker · Wailea, HI · Member since 2016 · 134 posts · 77 votes
4y

For starters, the article's headline reads:  "Honolulu will require 90-day minimum stays for Airbnbs and short-term rentals outside resort areas in October." Honolulu is one of four counties in Hawaii, so the comment about it being applicable to Hawaii was incorrect and very off-base. 

Each county regulates short term rentals differently. Honolulu has been very aggressive in their efforts to limit the available inventory of short term rentals. In my opinion, even without this new law, it is not a great market because the numbers don't pencil out. There are way too many hotels on the island.

Maui, Kauai and Hawaii Island each have their own regulations. Maui's is all about how the property is zoned and what the HOA by-laws allow. If both are aligned, then you can close today and start doing overnight rentals tomorrow. The other two islands have designated visitor destination areas where STR's can operate so long as they have a valid permit.

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  • Investor · The worst town to live in, KS · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    4y

    This bill stinks more than my dogs butt does.

  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    4y

    90 days. Nope. Time to sell or make it a LTR.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Indianapolis IN + Poconos, PA · Member since 2022 · 51 posts · 39 votes
    4y

    I agree with @John Underwood - we had managed about a dozen lease arbitrages in specific buildings in Waikiki, HI that allowed for it, but ended up turning them back to the lessor earlier this past summer. As one of the biggest travel-destinations in the world, the Hotels win. 

    Maui seemed to provide a different perspective on the regulations, however. 

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2021 · 9k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    4y

    Essentially attempting to wipe out the people who would party or be a nuance to the neighborhood. I think it will wipe out a lot of people's airbnb business 

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    4y

    Typical of a state like Hawaii.... Makes no sense to even call it a STR anymore. I'd either move my assets to another state, or turn it into a traditional rental...

  • Real Estate Broker · Wailea, HI · Member since 2016 · 134 posts · 77 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    Typical of a state like Hawaii.... Makes no sense to even call it a STR anymore. I'd either move my assets to another state, or turn it into a traditional rental...


     That’s where your knowledge about STRs needs sharpening. Not all of Hawaii is like Waikiki. As in any market, know the local regulations. Each county in Hawaii regulates them differently. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Member since 2019 · 569 posts · 257 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Yna P.:

    What are your opinions on the new bill which requires bookings for short-term rentals in residential areas to be for stays of at least 90 days?

    I'm writing about the new law in Hawaii and would like to know what the local community thinks: https://thepointsguy.com/news/...

    Thanks!


    90 days it too long and I would fine markets that are cheaper than can allow 3-7 day stays. That's where you make the bulk of your money in peak seasons. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Wailea, HI · Member since 2016 · 134 posts · 77 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Ricardo Hidalgo:
    Quote from @Yna P.:

    What are your opinions on the new bill which requires bookings for short-term rentals in residential areas to be for stays of at least 90 days?

    I'm writing about the new law in Hawaii and would like to know what the local community thinks: https://thepointsguy.com/news/...

    Thanks!


    90 days it too long and I would fine markets that are cheaper than can allow 3-7 day stays. That's where you make the bulk of your money in peak seasons. 

    This is NOT a new law in Hawaii. Do your homework, don’t always believe what you read that others put out there. Some areas on Oahu have minimum stay requirements but there is a lot more to Hawaii than just Oahu.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Mark Waite:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    Typical of a state like Hawaii.... Makes no sense to even call it a STR anymore. I'd either move my assets to another state, or turn it into a traditional rental...


     That’s where your knowledge about STRs needs sharpening. Not all of Hawaii is like Waikiki. As in any market, know the local regulations. Each county in Hawaii regulates them differently. 


    I wasn't talking about STR regs. I was talking about the general 'Blue State' attitude. Y'know, long-term vs short-term tenant rights....? Don't assume things.....

  • Real Estate Broker · Wailea, HI · Member since 2016 · 134 posts · 77 votes
    4y
    Just reading what you wrote, not assuming anything.
  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    4y

    Hey @Mark Waite, so explain it to us. You seem to have the knowledge about what is going on. Break it down. Better than just telling everyone they are wrong and should sharpen their knowledge. That is the whole point of this forum. Share what we know. So, share.

  • Real Estate Broker · Wailea, HI · Member since 2016 · 134 posts · 77 votes
    4y

    For starters, the article's headline reads:  "Honolulu will require 90-day minimum stays for Airbnbs and short-term rentals outside resort areas in October." Honolulu is one of four counties in Hawaii, so the comment about it being applicable to Hawaii was incorrect and very off-base. 

    Each county regulates short term rentals differently. Honolulu has been very aggressive in their efforts to limit the available inventory of short term rentals. In my opinion, even without this new law, it is not a great market because the numbers don't pencil out. There are way too many hotels on the island.

    Maui, Kauai and Hawaii Island each have their own regulations. Maui's is all about how the property is zoned and what the HOA by-laws allow. If both are aligned, then you can close today and start doing overnight rentals tomorrow. The other two islands have designated visitor destination areas where STR's can operate so long as they have a valid permit.

  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    4y

    That's what I am talkin' about @Mark Waite. Thanks for the clarity. We started looking in various areas in Hawaii, but no matter what, I never found one that looks great. The pandemic rules in HI were among the most restrictive so I am glad we didn't put any $$$ there. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Wailea, HI · Member since 2016 · 134 posts · 77 votes
    4y

    Actually, during the pandemic would've been the best time to do it. The STR market took off once tourism resumed and has continue to be very robust.

  • Rental Property Investor · Campbell, CA · Member since 2017 · 419 posts · 499 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Michael Baum:

    That's what I am talkin' about @Mark Waite. Thanks for the clarity. We started looking in various areas in Hawaii, but no matter what, I never found one that looks great. The pandemic rules in HI were among the most restrictive so I am glad we didn't put any $$$ there. 


    You should have purchased.  My rentals in Kauai have easily 2x'd since covid hit.  Its counterintuitive but wealthy work from home techies used Kauai as an escape from Californias draconian lockdowns and purchased all the inventory at insanely high prices. Now comps are through the roof and if you add in the recession and state of the economy and a lot of wealthy people are paying top dollar to move their assets to luxury real estate.  

    Even if you had to float your payments during the lockdowns youd be waaaaaaay up today.  And you could have done what I did, and enjoy the beaches in Kauai basically to yourself while enjoying the down time.

  • UK · Member since 2022 · 19 posts · 5 votes
    4y

    Thank you all so much for your opinions. All of your various responses gave me a clear overview of the markets in Hawaii. Appreciate all your help!

  • UK · Member since 2022 · 19 posts · 5 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Mark Waite:

    For starters, the article's headline reads:  "Honolulu will require 90-day minimum stays for Airbnbs and short-term rentals outside resort areas in October." Honolulu is one of four counties in Hawaii, so the comment about it being applicable to Hawaii was incorrect and very off-base. 

    Each county regulates short term rentals differently. Honolulu has been very aggressive in their efforts to limit the available inventory of short term rentals. In my opinion, even without this new law, it is not a great market because the numbers don't pencil out. There are way too many hotels on the island.

    Maui, Kauai and Hawaii Island each have their own regulations. Maui's is all about how the property is zoned and what the HOA by-laws allow. If both are aligned, then you can close today and start doing overnight rentals tomorrow. The other two islands have designated visitor destination areas where STR's can operate so long as they have a valid permit.


     Thanks for clarifying this, Mark!

  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    4y

    @Mike V., nah. I regret nothing.

  • Realtor · Branson, MO · Member since 2018 · 274 posts · 283 votes
    4y

    More regulations hurting STR's on Hawaii. Not all that surprised, I hear the locals aren't really a big fan.

  • Real Estate Agent · The Short Term Shop / Florida Emerald and Forgotten Coasts · Member since 2022 · 217 posts · 126 votes
    4y

    @Yna P.

    Go hit up the Navy Base Housing, have your place listed (they’ll need to inspect) and switch to MTR/LTR for personnel waiting for Navy Housing in the area.

  • Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    It may get a little confusing to some. Honolulu County is all of the island of Oahu. Hawaii county is only "da big island" of Hawaii. Originally everyone and their mother had an STR wherever... Then, Oahu (honolulu county) limited STR's to only resort zones such as Turtle Bay, Waikiki, and a couple other spots. Similar things happened on the other islands, but to what extent I don't know. I think it's still this way. A friend built a place (for STR) near Hilo (on da beeg island :) ) and with a flick of a pen, a politician made his STR useless. Oh well. I think he uses it now to dry his fish on the roof.

  • Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @William Beck:

    More regulations hurting STR's on Hawaii. Not all that surprised, I hear the locals aren't really a big fan.


     The locals love it.  easy money renting out a bedroom. especially since Hawaii really has no jobs otherwise. Its more the snobby wealthy areas that don't like the added activity.

  • Real Estate Broker · Kaneohe, HI · Member since 2020 · 193 posts · 163 votes
    4y

    Hi @Yna P. - overall, most of the feedback on Bill 41 that effects STR's on O'ahu seems to be very negative and the only ones who truly support it is the hotel industry. For the "local little person" who is having a difficult time keeping ahead of the rising costs of living, as well as an employment market that overall has mostly low paying jobs, operating STR's was a nice way to supplement their income - plus is also helped increased property values. So having to do 90 days rentals now outside of resorts areas is a detriment to many people.

    Other issue is that if you own a STR within a resort area on O'ahu where STR's have operated legally for years, now with Bill 41, effective Oct 23rd, 2022, owners are required to register their unit with the Department of Planning and Permitting and obtain a registration number before they can legally operate as an STR. There is a lot of uncertainty whether DPP will have the registration in place by Oct 23rd, and if they don't, what will happen then but more lawsuits against the bill wouldn't surprise me.

    All in all, the gov't has created a mess.    

  • Investor · Honolulu, HI · Member since 2019 · 46 posts · 11 votes
    3y

    U.S. District Court Judge Derrick Watson issued a preliminary injunction stopping the city from preventing anyone from renting a property for less than 90 days. What are your thoughts?

  • Real Estate Broker · Wailea, HI · Member since 2016 · 134 posts · 77 votes
    3y
    Aloha Yna,

    Just a couple of comments. First, please make sure you fully understand that STR market in Hawaii. Each county (and there are four) handles them differently. Second, the 90 day minimum stay to which you are referring has been successfully challenged in the courts by opponents of the change. It is a contentious issue on Oahu and still very much in flux.

    Mark
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