A deep dive into 2025 Smokies visitation number - it is better than every thinks!

A deep dive into 2025 Smokies visitation number - it is better than every thinks!

Investor · FL · Member since 2016 · 332 posts · 388 votes

If you look in the news or in posts here, you will see the reported Smokies visitation numbers are down by 700K for 2025.  On the face, this seems like a big drop, and the sky is falling.  When you dive deeper, the true number is greatly less.  When you take out road closures and known impacts, the number is closer to being down 250,00 to 300,000 visitors (see detailed breakdown below of known impacts).  As of Nov 30th, the Lodging Revenue for the city of Gatlinburg was only down .49% YTD,  and Pigeon Forge was up 0.1% YTD.  In dealing with STRs in the area, the demand overall is only reduced by 5%-7%.

So why the poor returns for some STRs in the area in 2025?  

1.  The Race to the Bottom - Owners/Managers keep lowering their prices, and then other owners see others' lowered prices, so they drop below them. Then they repeat the cycle.

2. Poor Maintenance - Owners/Managers are letting maintenance go due to decrease revenue, starting a spiral to the bottom quality and poor reviews.  This results in lower ADR, and the poor reviews result in less occupancy.   For example, a cabin I was considering buying even had mold on the couch.

3. Tired Owners/Managers - They are just tired of dealing with other people's problems and repairs.  Many are not even equipped to deal with their own problems.  These owners want out, and if it is a manager, he/she is retired or coasting on duty.

4. Poor Management -  They are not keeping on top of things, not updating listings, not updating photos, not replacing poor pots & pans, and are not doing revenue management or looking at more ways to drive traffic to their properties.

5. Inventory is higher by about 5% over demand.  I believe a Smokies reset is happening, which will remove some of the inventory, and I will post more later on this.  Building permits are tremendously down, and completed new construction STRs are significantly down.  They are seeing a shift to permanent residences in new construction in the area.

6. The economy: higher interest rates on credit cards, car loans, and consumer loans are eating into disposable incomes. Also, the longest government shutdown in history impacted people's plans in 2025, as many live paycheck to paycheck.  This is why we saw a lower-than-expected demand for the first three weeks of November. 

I went to the NPS website to look actual visitor count breakdown by area and cross-referenced the decreased count areas to known closures or impacts, which you can look at here:

https://irma.nps.gov/Stats/SSRSReports/Park%20Specific%20Rep... 

Abram’s Creek closed for a significant time, down 10,488 visitors

Heintooga Ridge closed for a time, down 3,738 visitors

Oconaluftee – campground closures during the govt shutdown impacted numbers, and hard to tell the impact

Cosby Campground was closed for almost a month for repaving in April/May and then 42 days during the shutdown, down 18,366 visitors

Foothills Parkway East – impacted by fire closure and by I-40 closures, and reduced capacity, down 327,532 visitors

Greenbriar closures due to Bridge repairs, down 5,772 visitors

Lake View Drive, the tunnel on the road is now permanently closed to vehicles, down 6,168 visitors

Wear Cove - Metcalf bottoms closures due to road work, and Little River Rd repair closures, down 35,338 visitors

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  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    8mo

    We have some competition on posting the detailed smokies data!

    I love reading analysis of the rental data from this area.

    I'm just starting to compile my tax data.

    I do know that our SC lake house brought in more money for 2025 than 2024.

    I think our Smokies cabin was lower, but not by much. I'd have to go back and confirm that.

    • Investor · FL · Member since 2016 · 332 posts · 388 votes
      8mo
      Quote from @John Underwood:

      We have some competition on posting the detailed smokies data!

      I love reading analysis of the rental data from this area.

      I'm just starting to compile my tax data.

      I do know that our SC lake house brought in more money for 2025 than 2024.

      I think our Smokies cabin was lower, but not by much. I'd have to go back and confirm that.


       5 of 6 of my Smokies cabins' income is up for 2025 vs 2024.  The one that is down was only 3.51% down, and we stayed in it 10 days, probably accounting for 1.6% of the decline. The five with income increase avg 5%-7% gain over 2024.

    • Collin HaysBusiness Member
      Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
      8mo
      Quote from @Account Closed:
      Quote from @John Underwood:

      We have some competition on posting the detailed smokies data!

      I love reading analysis of the rental data from this area.

      I'm just starting to compile my tax data.

      I do know that our SC lake house brought in more money for 2025 than 2024.

      I think our Smokies cabin was lower, but not by much. I'd have to go back and confirm that.


       5 of 6 of my Smokies cabins' income is up for 2025 vs 2024.  The one that is down was only 3.51% down, and we stayed in it 10 days, probably accounting for 1.6% of the decline. The five with income increase avg 5%-7% gain over 2024.

      Your results are tenarkable. We manage 29 properties, and only  one of those had higher rents in 2025, by a fraction, than 2024.
  • Andrew SteffensBusiness Member
    Tampa, FL · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8mo

    it'll all shake out in the end, if you can hang on long enough.

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