Bats and Snakes: A story about deferred maintenance

Bats and Snakes: A story about deferred maintenance

Collin HaysBusiness Member
Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes

Several years ago, we had a cabin on our program that had some rot around the base of the chimney chase.  You could see openings in the chase where it meets the roof from the ground.  We advised the owner that it needed a new chimney chase. It was going to cost a few thousand dollars.  The owner declined and told us he would take care of it.

In late June of that year, a guest discovered a bat flying around in the basement.  We assumed that it perhaps just came in a door that was open all day (or night).  The next day, there were two more bats in the basement.  Then a large snake in the laundry room.  Obviously we took the cabin off market to figure out what was going on.

What was going on was, in a few short months, the chimney chase had become a bat house, and there were hundreds of bats taking up residence there.  They had somehow made their way into the floor space between the upper level of the home and the basement as well.  And the snakes.  The snakes were feasting on the bats, so there were a lot of quite fat and happy snakes in and around.

Well, this is easy, call an exterminator!  Not so fast...we found out it is illegal to touch a bat during their nesting season, and fines can be huge. Nothing could be done for several months.  So the cabin would have to sit several months to wait out the situation.  Once we were able to address the situation, we took apart the chase and part of the roof, to discover HUNDREDS of bats, and their excrement, throughout the chase and crawl space.  Guys, this is really gross stuff.

All total, I estimate that the homeowner lost about $30,000 from this.  Yes, we got it all back together, but how easy would it have been to repair the rotted chase for a couple thousand dollars?  In the Short Term Rental world, deferred maintenance will chase you down very quickly.  

Good day!

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Andrew SteffensBusiness Member
Tampa, FL · Member since 2022 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
6mo

I am at the point of cutting clients who refuse to maintain their homes.

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  • Andrew SteffensBusiness Member
    Tampa, FL · Member since 2022 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6mo

    I am at the point of cutting clients who refuse to maintain their homes.

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 13k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    6mo

    You're lucky there was no occupant lawsuit!

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6mo

    That's insane man!

  • Michael K GallagherBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6mo

    makes me think of ace ventura running out of that cave !  wild story, but just goes to show its always more expensive to wait.

  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    6mo

    Great example of pay me now or pay me later. Later always costs more.

  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6mo

    Ouch! Well, it sounds interesting!

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6mo

    Reminds me of the Tenant that was complaining about an odd humming sound. Turned out to be an estimated 300,000 bees with a huge hive, roughly six feet square inside the exterior wall of an older home, between several studs. This property was also "maintained" by the previous owner, but new to our management. A handful of bees were noted around the exterior in one area, but no significant damage to the clapboard siding. Upon investigation, with an infrared camera, the general area of the hive was red hot! A bee whisperer was called in, who suited up the maintenance guy to remove the sheetrock inside and expose the amazing sight. Then Mr. Whisperer, sans suit, nothing but his smoke gun, moved all the bees and much of the hive into containers that he would relocate to his bee farm. It took the larger part of the day to remove it all, and another couple days after sealing up the exterior before the rest of the bees that had been out flying around relocated on their own. It was fascinating, but not nearly as costly as the bat problem!

    • Collin HaysBusiness Member
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      Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
      6mo
      Quote from @Richard F.:

      Reminds me of the Tenant that was complaining about an odd humming sound. Turned out to be an estimated 300,000 bees with a huge hive, roughly six feet square inside the exterior wall of an older home, between several studs. This property was also "maintained" by the previous owner, but new to our management. A handful of bees were noted around the exterior in one area, but no significant damage to the clapboard siding. Upon investigation, with an infrared camera, the general area of the hive was red hot! A bee whisperer was called in, who suited up the maintenance guy to remove the sheetrock inside and expose the amazing sight. Then Mr. Whisperer, sans suit, nothing but his smoke gun, moved all the bees and much of the hive into containers that he would relocate to his bee farm. It took the larger part of the day to remove it all, and another couple days after sealing up the exterior before the rest of the bees that had been out flying around relocated on their own. It was fascinating, but not nearly as costly as the bat problem!

      That situation can happen literally overnight.
  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ and Rehoboth Beach DE · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6mo

    What a mess.  Hey, bat guano is great fertilizer! You're lucky the guest didn't have a bat fly in their hair, which would require rabies shots.  I'm surprised the owner didn't even spray some foam in there as his "repair".   

    • Collin HaysBusiness Member
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      Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
      6mo
      Quote from @Lauren Kormylo:

      What a mess.  Hey, bat guano is great fertilizer! You're lucky the guest didn't have a bat fly in their hair, which would require rabies shots.  I'm surprised the owner didn't even spray some foam in there as his "repair".   


      The visible opening was on the outside of the house up on the roof, and it was a very small opening. Rot and any potential openings in the siding or roof are now a standard part of our inspections.  

  • Mike GrudzienPro Member
    Lender · Eugene, OR · Member since 2019 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6mo

    Lions and tigers and bears!  Oh my!

    Hope the owner learned his lesson....

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6mo

    @Collin Hays we purchased a 1860s property where the squirrels were looking out of the attic at us. Two Cousins, one partner living on site and was supposed to be doing the maintenance. Now for us over the years they continue to try to break in, those pests have a long memory.  

    • Collin HaysBusiness Member
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      Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
      6mo
      Quote from @Colleen F.:

      @Collin Hays we purchased a 1860s property where the squirrels were looking out of the attic at us. Two Cousins, one partner living on site and was supposed to be doing the maintenance. Now for us over the years they continue to try to break in, those pests have a long memory.  

      I have a similar story.  Bought a circa 1800s log cabin in Gatlinburg and couldn’t keep the critters out.  Sadly - or not - it burned to the ground in the Great Gatlinburg Fire of 2016.
    • Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      6mo
      Quote from @Colleen F.:

      @Collin Hays we purchased a 1860s property where the squirrels were looking out of the attic at us. Two Cousins, one partner living on site and was supposed to be doing the maintenance. Now for us over the years they continue to try to break in, those pests have a long memory.  


       You should've called it the Caddyshack House 

    • Flipper/Rehabber · CA · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      6mo
      Quote from @Jon Martin:
      Quote from @Colleen F.:

      @Collin Hays we purchased a 1860s property where the squirrels were looking out of the attic at us. Two Cousins, one partner living on site and was supposed to be doing the maintenance. Now for us over the years they continue to try to break in, those pests have a long memory.  


       You should've called it the Caddyshack House 


       "Varmint cong"!

      Out here its woodpeckers....grrr

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6mo

    @Collin Hays  That fire caught your area in a bad way.  It is bad when historic things burn but I think then you didn't have to make a choice on the end of the cabins useful life. For us if it was a cabin I kind of would have understood but only the top third of the building is wood, the rest is granite. The previous owner just had to block some holes. 
    @Jon MartinThought about it but the squirrels get competition. We joke that we are always doing an eviction. It is some animal, squirrels, bees, mice, hornets. You can keep squirrels out of the building and if you don't they do the most damage, enemy number one though is the beaver.   Annually we have to get the beavers to stop damming the creek so we have a beaver trapper. 

    @Jon Martin

  • Collin HaysBusiness Member
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    Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6mo

    We've had clients with woodpecker problems, but you can't get rid of woodpeckers until you get rid of carpenter bees.  Carpenter bees love to drill holes in the soffits and eaves of houses, and then the lay eggs which then becomes larvae.  The woodpeckers can hear the larvae, so they will begin pecking the soffits and eaves to get to the larvae.  

    • Flipper/Rehabber · CA · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      6mo
      Quote from @Collin Hays:

      We've had clients with woodpecker problems, but you can't get rid of woodpeckers until you get rid of carpenter bees.  Carpenter bees love to drill holes in the soffits and eaves of houses, and then the lay eggs which then becomes larvae.  The woodpeckers can hear the larvae, so they will begin pecking the soffits and eaves to get to the larvae.  


       West coast woodpeckers make big holes to burry acorns for later. They open the door for other varments. Cant really get rid of them, just slow em down

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