Can I deduct expenses incurred prior to listing my STR?

Can I deduct expenses incurred prior to listing my STR?

Rental Property Investor · Westbury, NY · Member since 2017 · 6 posts · 3 votes

I purchased my property in October 2018... however I did not list it on Airbnb until January 2019...therefore I had no rental income in 2018.

Can I still deduct expenses such as mortgage interest, property taxes, depreciation, etc. for my 2018 return?

I understand I cannot claim these losses against my other income but was wondering if I would be able to carry them forward to offset future rental income.

Thanks.

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Nicholas AiolaBusiness Member
CPA & Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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@Patrick McCabe @Benjamin Enriquez

The key date in question is the "in-service" date. That just means when the property is ready (in liveable condition) and available (advertised) for rent.

Most operating expenses incurred before the in-service date are added to the property's basis and depreciated over it's useful life, as @Lisa Graesser said. Therefore, you're out of luck re: depreciation in 2018.

However, you may be able to deduct some expenses as start up expenses when business officially "begins", which will be in 2019; you also may be able to claim some expenses (taxes and mortgage interest, namely) as second home deductions in 2018, before the property was placed in service as a rental.

Keep in mind, if you inherit tenants, the property is placed in service immediately on the date of closing, even if you kick them out the next day. Idle time between tenants does not remove the property from being in service. 

Aiola CPA, PLLC
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  • Rental Property Investor · The Villages, FL · Member since 2017 · 341 posts · 398 votes
    7y

    I am not an accountant, but my understanding is that you have to add the expenses incurred before offering for rent to the cost basis and depreciated, not deducted. You should be able to deduct a certain amount as start up costs. Good resource is of course an accountant but read the books "Tax strategies for the savvy real estate investor" by Amanda Hann and Nolo's "every landlords tax deduction guide" and "Tax guide for Short-Term rentals"

  • Member since 2018 · 4 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    Following... my wife and I had a similar conversation last night.  We bought furniture a few months before we listed and was told we could not claim until rental went live.

  • Nicholas AiolaBusiness Member
    CPA & Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Patrick McCabe @Benjamin Enriquez

    The key date in question is the "in-service" date. That just means when the property is ready (in liveable condition) and available (advertised) for rent.

    Most operating expenses incurred before the in-service date are added to the property's basis and depreciated over it's useful life, as @Lisa Graesser said. Therefore, you're out of luck re: depreciation in 2018.

    However, you may be able to deduct some expenses as start up expenses when business officially "begins", which will be in 2019; you also may be able to claim some expenses (taxes and mortgage interest, namely) as second home deductions in 2018, before the property was placed in service as a rental.

    Keep in mind, if you inherit tenants, the property is placed in service immediately on the date of closing, even if you kick them out the next day. Idle time between tenants does not remove the property from being in service. 

    Aiola CPA, PLLC
  • Rental Property Investor · Rohnert Park, CA · Member since 2014 · 307 posts · 160 votes
    7y

    How long do you have to depreciate furniture?

  • Investor · The worst town to live in, KS · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Cheryl Vargas I expense all my furniture and appliances.  Or I at least list it as an expense and send the stack of yearly receipts to my accountant.

  • Rental Property Investor · Rohnert Park, CA · Member since 2014 · 307 posts · 160 votes
    7y

    Now I’m really confused 

    I thought that @Nicholas Aiola said that anything purchased before the “in service” date had to be expensed. 

    Since I was planning on buying my furniture before the “in service” date,  it seems that it would need to be deprecated.  Do how can I expense my furniture purchases that I have to get before the vacation rental will be ready to go?

  • Rental Property Investor · The Villages, FL · Member since 2017 · 341 posts · 398 votes
    7y

    The furniture you buy before your rental is offered for rent will need to be added to the cost basis of the purchase of the rental and depreciated over 27.5 years. If you can offer the house with old furniture then buy the furniture after you have offered it for rent then you may be able to deduct it in the same year, depending on the cost, there are new rules this yax year. You should talk to an accountant and read the books I mentioned before. It will help you understand and be better prepared when it comes to planning and paying your taxes on rentals.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    You can “expense” holding costs....property taxes, Mtg interest, insurance, utilities, etc. 

    you have “add these costs to your basis for depreciation”for repairs and improvements. 

    You may be able to depreciate furniture/appliances on a shorter schedule. 

  • Investor · The worst town to live in, KS · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Cheryl Vargas for me, a sofa is $25. Bedroom suite is about $100.  End tables and night stands are $5.  Dining tables and chairs are $50.  Recliners are $10.  Fridges are $100.  Washer/dryer set is about $150.  I don't see why the IRS would want these capitalized instead of expensed. I expense everything I can.

    I can't get any sort of bargain on HDTVs, let alone a SMART TV.  I have to pay full retail.

  • Nicholas AiolaBusiness Member
    CPA & Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y
    Aiola CPA, PLLC
  • Real Estate Agent · Fort Mill, SC · Member since 2014 · 63 posts · 38 votes
    7y

    @Patrick McCabe I'm not an accountant but I don't see anyone answering your actual question. 

    Yes, you can claim those expenses you mentioned (ITI and depreciation) as losses against that property. Since you have no income to deduct those expenses from, they will be carried forward to future years (carry-over losses). The way my accountant explained it to me is that each property is more or less considered and individual business so losses will carry forward until you sell (or they are offset by gains). When you sell, any carry over losses that remain can be deducted from your overall income for that year.

    Again, check with an accountant, but that is how mine explained it and what was done when I experimented (and completely failed) with a VRBO property.

  • Nicholas AiolaBusiness Member
    CPA & Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Tom ONeil Those expenses are deductible in theory but, as I mentioned in my response above, you cannot deduct most expenses until the property is placed in service. An analysis should be done as to when and where to deduct certain expenses before the in-service date, if at all.

    @Patrick McCabe cannot deduct depreciation in 2018 because his property was not placed in service until 2019.

    The question has been answered to the best of all of the responders' abilities with limited information at hand. As with most tax subjects, the answer is typically "it depends" until we get our hands on the full details.

    Sincerely, an accountant :)

    Aiola CPA, PLLC
  • Member since 2018 · 26 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    Assuming you are not a real estate professional, your rental activity is a passive activity. That means your passive loss can only be offset with other passive income. If you don't have any other passive income incurred in 2018, your passive loss from your Airbnb rental will be carried forward from 2018 to 2019 which can be deducted in 2019 if you have enough passive income in 2019 to offset any 2018 passive loss.

  • Rental Property Investor · Westbury, NY · Member since 2017 · 6 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    Thank you everyone for your input!

    @Nicholas Aiola I am looking for an accountant to help me with my STR business. You seem to have excellent knowledge in the subject. I took a look at your website. Is the best way to discuss further by scheduling a call with you?

  • Nicholas AiolaBusiness Member
    CPA & Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Patrick McCabe Yes, sir! Looking forward to speaking.

    Aiola CPA, PLLC
  • Basit SiddiqiBusiness Member
    Accountant · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 8k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    @Patrick McCabe

    You got some solid advice already regarding when items need to be expensed/capitalized.

    Was there a reason that the unit was not listed on airbnb until January 2019?
    Were you rehabbing the unit?

    If it was being rehabbed, in the future, you want to focus on rehabbing the parts of the unit that will get it in livable condition as quickly as possible.

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