Building 2 - LTR - 39% annual return on value of building!

Building 2 - LTR - 39% annual return on value of building!

Hatfield, PA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 629 votes

BUILDING TWO

A) Previously I posted a projection for a $135,000 pair of townhomes (BUILDING 1), which came to about 34% annual return on the value of the building when rented as a nicely furnished pair of townhomes.  It is my belief that STR is a fools errand in most parts of the country and getting worse each year as more lemmings jump into STRs.  These townhomes are in a small tourist town.

B) Now I am posting a projection for a MFH (5 apartments, 2 commercial spaces).  The building itself cost me $280,000. The raw rent for the 7 spaces is approximately $85,000.  The 5 apartments (See below for my LTR to STR calculations) adjust to approx $90,000 (no PM) to total $110,000 for the building.  Or a 39% annual return on the entire building.

And each year, there is more STR competition and less LTR competition here. The belief that STR is 2-3X LTR income is a complete fantasy, IMO.

CONVERTING STR TO LTR INCOME FOR ONE UNIT (MY TOWN)

 Airbnb & VRBO estimated my earnings from a 2 BR 1 BA apartment around $17,000 annually. Using my STR to LTR converter (credit card fee, self-employment tax, software, OTA fee, paying heat/power and wifi, higher insurance cost, linens, coffee setups, much worse if PM, etc etc) which I say is 25-30% minimum. With PM at an additional 30%, it is terrible

--> then $17,000 becomes about ... A) $12,000 without ... B) $9000 with a PM.
--> i am renting the same as a furnished apartment (LTR) for $225 a week which is almost $12,000

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Michael BaumPro Member
Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
6y

Hey @Ken Latchers, I am not trying to be rude here or disrespectful. I do appreciate that info and I think it is great for you, but you seem to be on a mission to just keep poking all STR owners in the eye with nearly every post.

We are all just lemmings. It's crazy to do long distance management. On and on. I guess I just would like to know what you are trying to prove. I get it that you are doing some cool stuff and I applaud your success, but you seem to come to the STR forum to show us all how we are wrong to do what we are doing.

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  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    6y

    Having to pay for a PM to manage a STR at ~30% will tank most STR's for sure.

  • Hatfield, PA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 629 votes
    6y

    Note that the above, the LTR to STR "calculator" is an attempt to compare apples to apples.
    Both STR and LTR rentals usually include trash, sewer, water. Both pay mortgage, taxes and base property insurance. Both have some level of ongoing maintenance and upgrades and lawn/snow care. As I am doing furnished places, I also assume each has furnishings and stocked kitchen. Plus a few other things. So these are all disregarded

    And the "39% of value" of building annually is gross rent divided by original purchase price. I do not include needed upgrades and both are furnished so I don't include that either.

  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    Hey @Ken Latchers, I am not trying to be rude here or disrespectful. I do appreciate that info and I think it is great for you, but you seem to be on a mission to just keep poking all STR owners in the eye with nearly every post.

    We are all just lemmings. It's crazy to do long distance management. On and on. I guess I just would like to know what you are trying to prove. I get it that you are doing some cool stuff and I applaud your success, but you seem to come to the STR forum to show us all how we are wrong to do what we are doing.

  • Hatfield, PA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 629 votes
    6y

    "you seem to be on a mission to just keep poking all STR owners in the eye with nearly every post."

    That is not the point. The point is somewhat similar to Coffeyville 

  • Rental Property Investor · La Quinta, CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 779 votes
    6y

    Most of us are focused on finding cases where short-term rentals do work, in the short-term rental forum.  Not cases where they don't make sense.  That's too easy (and an odd use of this particular forum)!

  • Hatfield, PA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 629 votes
    6y

    these two buildings are being done this way as a backup plan, as the STR theory i had for them wasn't working well.

    I also think real world numbers on properties as either short-term or long-term rental provide significant value.

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